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Tuesday, November 06, 2012


Ed Peters

This was an interesting but, in my opinion, rather uneven article. Much good data, yes, but then lines like "Archbishop Lefebvre could be likened in some respects to St. Vincent de Paul, who made a long-term investment in the restoration of the Church in 17th-century France by founding the Congregation of the Mission to preach the Gospel in rural areas and to staff seminaries." Well, I suppose. But SVdP did not die excommunicated for grave disobedience, did he? Seriously. Bottom line, if reconciliation is not achieved under the immensely patient Benedict XVI, it will not be achieved at all.

Janet Baker

The communication between SSPX will continue, because SSPX is not sedevacantist. There are well established canon law regulations that have told the Church for the millenia what to do in the case of heretical teaching in the highest levels of the magisterium, and SSPX follows them. The image that Bishop Fellay used in his weary Candlemas sermon was of standing at the door, in the rain, knocking. They mean to continue to knock. It drives some corners of 'tradition' wild, and of course enrages liberals. And as the Church experiences again and again the disasterous effects of the Council, in evangelization for example, as they are now, where ecumenism chains them against taking up the missionary spirit for which they long, as the economic and spiritual and even aesthetic crisis deepens, eventually the cardinals and bishops will open their ears and eyes and really listen to SSPX's message. No matter how the devil dances it and the media spins it, SSPX talking simple, good, traditional sense. It guided us through centuries even more politicized than our own.

Ed Peters

"There are well established canon law regulations that have told the Church for the millenia what to do in the case of heretical teaching in the highest levels of the magisterium..."

Could you mention those regs, please, and briefly point out their applicability to this situation (e.g., who is teaching heresy at the highest levels)? Thanks. edp


"[Bishop Fellay, Superior General of the SSPX] seems convinced that where the personal sentiments of Benedict XVI himself are concerned, admiration for the SSPX is the word. He explained that in his first meeting with Pope Benedict XVI, His Holiness twice referred to Archbishop Lefebvre — first as the 'venerated Archbishop Lefebvre' and, later in the conversation, as 'Archbishop Lefebvre, this great man of the universal Church.'

10/20/10 Remnant article:

Actions Speak Louder than Words: New revelations regarding relations between the Vatican and the SSPX

Janet Baker

At Ed Peters: the heretical teaching referred to in my comment is the content of the disputed teaching of Vatican II usually summarized as religious liberty, false ecumenism, and collegiality by SSPX and a growing number of contemporary theologians. The theological work to which I refer is outlined in an essay by Robert J. Siscoe called Sedevacantism and the Manifest Heretic, with the appropriate citations of Thomas Aquinas, Suarez, and others. The publication is from the SSPX's 2012 Conference in Kansas City. You can get it (I am supposing, from past practice)from SSPX's Angulus Press. It is worth getting for its citation of some of the Church's most interesting historical figures.

Ed Peters

"At" Ed Peters? Okay. May I note that you answer neither question I asked. They were simple and direct enough, I thought.

Daniel Smith

The last official meeting between the Ecclesia Dei Commission and the authorities of the Society of Saint Pius X took place in the offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on June 13, 2012.

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