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Saturday, February 04, 2012

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Sharon

I wonder if some Catholics are tempted to become Eastern Orthodox because of the Orthodox stance on abortion, divorce and contraception.

Ryan

I would not be so quick to dismiss the "aesthetic" argument. With the current collapse of the liturgy, "spirituality" such as the enneagram and centering prayer, and widespread dissent on fundamental beliefs such as the divinity of Christ among religious and academics to name just a few problems in contemporary Catholicism, I have sympathy for Catholics that look for safe refuge in Orthodoxy.

andrei

I wonder if some Catholics are tempted to become Eastern Orthodox because of the Orthodox stance on abortion, divorce and contraception.

I doubt it - there is not much difference between Catholics and Orthodox on these matters.

As to the key question: Which communion of Bishops (Catholic or Eastern Orthodox) constitutes that hierarchy of the Church, founded by Christ to “make disciples of all nations” Matt. 28:19)?

They both are

Sharon

I wonder if some Catholics are tempted to become Eastern Orthodox because of the Orthodox stance on abortion, divorce and contraception.

I doubt it - there is not much difference between Catholics and Orthodox on these matters


There is a huge difference between what the Catholic Church teaches on abortion, divorce and artificial contraception and what the Orthodox teach. Orthodox give permission for two divorces I think, abortion under certain circumstances and contraception if both spouses agree. There is no one central set of teachings in the area of morals in the Orthodox Church.

Randy

To me the Council of Florence in 1439 needs to be mentioned. If the east claims to accept ecumenical councils as authoritative then why didn't they accept that one? Just because they didn't like what it said? But that rejects the authority of any ecumenical council as an ecumenical council. It would put the true authority into the individual or at best the local bishop. That makes unity impossible. If agreement with the patriarchs is enough then we got that in Florence and it should just be respected. If we need to get a separate agreement with everyone that simply is not going to happen.

andrei

You are wrong Sharon.

It is true that you can obtain a divorce from your Bishop and get permission to remarry in the Church. I have never known anybody who has done this but I do know that if this happens a different service is used and it is expected to be a subdued and quiet affair.

On the other hand I attended a Wedding in the Catholic Cathedral in my town of a Catholic woman who had obtained an annulment of her first marriage and who had three children resulting from it - the hows whys and wherefores of this I do not know but she is a woman of wealth and importance which I'm sure helped smooth the path for this to occur.

Indeed in our tradition we see many women, widowed who wear black for ever more and would not even consider remarrying as an option. My daughter's godmother was widowed at 32 and wore black in public until the day she died.

Contraception too is hardly welcomed -it may be if you have a large family or known genetic problem that after consultation with your confessor use of contraceptives just might be given a green light - I have heard priests talk against it but never ever for it

Our Church is against abortion just as the Catholic Church is - what reception do you think a Catholic woman would receive from an Orthodox Priest if she came to him seeking blessing for an abortion? Really?

Ann Applegarth

I think that Catholics "tempted to become Eastern Orthodox," as Sharon poses, might simply be finding in Orthodoxy a sublimnity of worship and a stability that are lacking in Latin Rite Catholic churches. The Divine Liturgy is unsurpassed in beauty, dignity, and profundity, and it hasn't changed in 2000 years. Yet, most cities that have Orthodox churches also have Greek Catholic churches that have everything the Orthodox have -- plus Pope Benedict.

Sharon

Andrei will you please provide me with a link to the official teaching of the Orthodox Church on abortion, divorce and contraception.

See below a link to the official teaching of the Catholic Church on abortion, divorce and contraception:
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

Blake Konczal

Notwithstanding the point of the article, that there are serious theological and ecclesiogical differences between Roman Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity - I have always been struck by the narrowness of the various Orthodox churches in that they are always affiliated with a particular ethnic group; e.g., Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc....

In a multi ethnic nation like the USA, this indivisible tie with a respective ethnicity is problematic. Efforts among differing Orthodox churches to establish some unified, or more prperly joint, governance structure in the US have all been to naught.

Can one properly claim to be "Catholic" while restricting oneself to a particular ethnic group?

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