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Tuesday, August 23, 2011

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Sandra Miesel

I hope you meant "crocheting", not "croqueting...?

Howard's original Conan and King Kull stories are deeply nihilistic, which oddly doesn't prevent the protagonists from having a "crude sense of honor." Despite his contempt for "civilization" as weak and hypocritical, Conan nevertheless keeps saving it from Worse Things and winds up an effective king of a civilized state. Howard's gift for pulp sword & sorcery has (fortunately?) never been matched, especially not by the movie versions.

Gail F

In the books, was Conan sort of a noble savage (like Tarzan-- who is VERY different in the books than in the movies)? My husband read them when he was a teen and, though he liked the Arnold movie, says the Nietchze stuff was not in them.

Carl E. Olson

Sandra: I was caught between wanting to play croquet and to crochet (ha!), so I changed it to signing karaoke. That'll teach me to pretend to know anything about sticks and strings!

Chris

Sticks and strings may break your bones...

Dale Price

I would say the same thing for Kull, Sandra. While I wouldn't call myself a student of Howard, I think his overall theme (if it can be called that) was that civilization needed an infusion of barbaric "blood" to keep it from becoming hopelessly decadent. And civilization, for all of its flaws, was better than chaos.

Though I haven't read them all, I think David Drake's "Lord of the Isles" series captures a lot of that same ethos, and buckles a pretty good swash.

sports good

That'll teach me to pretend to know anything about sticks and strings! I think his overall theme (if it can be called that) was that civilization needed an infusion of barbaric "blood" to keep it from becoming hopelessly decadent. And civilization

Manwe

I disagree with some of the premises here, namely that Conan is nihilistic. And I think I have to agree with Dale Price.

Let me quote an SF author that I had a discussion with about this whole thing:

"I would have to reread it with adult eyes, but my memory is that the Conan
stories portrayed a Lovecraftian universe filled with hostile gods and dizzying
abysses of time, a grim and Darwinian sense of vast eons passing, and older
races, serpent men of Atlantis and so on, having once been where humans are now,
and foretelling the abyss into which humans one day would pass.
That is an arguably nihilistic world view, but then again so is the fatalism and
despair underpinning most pagan cults. Strictly speaking, it is the sorrow of
heroism that I recall in Conan, something like Achilles in Hades bemoaning his
fate -- his glory was great, but soon passed away."
AND
"My point was that I would not really call that nihilism.Grim, melancholic,
heroic, pagan, doomed, yes. Nihilistic, no."

And that pretty much somes up my point! :)

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