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Saturday, April 16, 2011


Bill Russell


In 2004, as President of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, Archbishop Wilton Gregory said, "This terrible history recorded here today is history." oops

In 2010, upon his election as President of the same USCCB, Archbishop Timothy Dolan said, "It’s not like — thanks be to God — we’re in crisis. Things are going well.” - oops

Nothing to see here, folks. Please disperse.

Carl E. Olson

Bill: Fair enough. But a few months later Abp. Dolan, on March 20, 2011, on "60 Minutes":

Calling the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal "hideous" and "nauseating," New York's Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan says the scandal "needs to haunt" the church for some time to come. ...

Asked if he feared the impact of the scandal would go on forever, Dolan replies, "In some ways, I don't want it to be over, because...this was such a crisis in the Catholic Church that in a way, we don't want to get over it too easily," he tells Safer. "This needs to haunt us."


Once again I will recommend the book put out by the Linacre Institute, within the Catholic Medical Association, "After Asceticism: Sex, Prayer and Deviant Priests".

This book didn't garner much publicity because it isn't full of any juicy bits of scandal but an objective analysis of the statistics. The authors of this book assert that the sexual abuse scandals were brought about by the collapse of traditional ascetical disciplines withing the Church. You can read the introduction to the book at the following website:

David K. Monroe

Thanks for the recommend, Sharon. I think this is the point that most people are missing, some perhaps intentionally - sexual abuse scandals among the clergy are not the failure of the practice of ascetical discipline but rather failures in the practice of ascetical discipline. It is not a situation substantially different from sexual abuse in public schools, or private schools, or the workplace, or anywhere else. It is people abusing positions of authority and power in order to gratify sexual desires that they ought to but fail to keep in check. But it is only in regard to Catholic priests that people make the absurd claim that the abandoning of the boundaries and disciplines native to the office is the solution to the problem.


Carl, once again I have to take issue with your central premise, as in when you say, "The moral collapse of our time cannot be fought unless the fog of banality is lifted, unless evil is called evil, felt as evil, and fought as evil.

Our age has fallen into this trap: we no longer sense that we are in the grip of evil. We have grown numb."

I, and MANY other non-Catholics like me, do not for one second think that there is no real evil in the world. We just differ on its source. I find it unthinkably evil that anyone would seek to deny women birth control and sex education. I find it an unspeakable evil that anyone would tell a pair of consenting adults that they will be forbidden to marry. I find it beyond mere evil that ANYONE, once they KNOW of the abuse of a minor child, would do ANYTHING OTHER than turn that abuser over to the police along with all evidence of their wrongdoing.

I believe in evil. I fear it. I fight it where I see it. I think we just see it in different places.

Dan Deeny

Very interesting. Why do you "find it unthinkably evil"? Very few doubt the sincerity of your convictions, but some of us are interested in how you support your sincerity. For example, did you learn these convictions in church, in school, at home, etc.?


Dan, strangely enough I simply used the brain God was kind enough to provide me with. I read and read widely, with a particular emphasis on historical and scientific books and articles. You should try it some time. There's all sorts of neat stuff to learn.

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