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Wednesday, April 06, 2011

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Joe

"We got the Catholicism for the Catholics who just want spiritual practice but wouldn't know a rule if it hit them in the face. We got the kind of Catholicism for the types of intellectual Catholics who know about the rules of the church, but they don't care about them."

Says everything rigere. Depaul is Catholic like someone can be of Italian descent. Coloring, flavoring, no substance beyond liking the movie "Moonstruck."

Jim Miles

A few years ago I was approached by a married couple who are members of my parish with a problem related to your article. It seems that they had sent their daughter to DePaul for her bachelors degree. Some time after she got there she informed her parents that she had decided to leave her business curriculum for the “Women’s Studies” program. She also informed them that, in spite having had a long standing romantic relationship with a young man or two she was now adopting a homosexual lifestyle.

When her parents questioned her about this, they became convinced that she had been actively recruited into this lifestyle by the faculty of the program at DePaul and were dumbfounded that a “Catholic University” would foster such an environment. I do not know the final outcome but it certainly supports the premise of this article.

Pax,

Dcn. Jim Miles
St. Thomas the Apostle
Ann Arbor, Michigan

LJ

"At DePaul, if you want a Catholicism that's rigid and rule-bound, we got it. We got the Catholicism for the Catholics who just want spiritual practice but wouldn't know a rule if it hit them in the face. We got the kind of Catholicism for the types of intellectual Catholics who know about the rules of the church, but they don't care about them."

Although this is a serious problem, that statement is one of the funniest things I have ever heard. Kind of reminds me of a street barker at a bizarre, "Get your Catholicism here! We got..."

Dale Price

Removal of their religious institution protections from tax, collective bargaining and civil rights laws would do wonders for DePaul and the Church it used to be a part of.

Michael

....another "Catholic" university trying to "fit in".....they're missing the mission of their existence !!!!!!!!!!

Richard A

DePaul tolerates a rigid, rules-bound Catholicism? Maybe there's hope for it yet!

Elm

And as for the intellectual Catholics, they just don't care. This must include all of the professors as well as administration. Intellectual but not very smart.

Thomas J. Trotter 3rd OblSBCam

Note on previous post relative to Dominican Univ.
of Calif. On their web page, "Caroline Kennedy
headlines spring Leadership Lecture Series
April 13 2011 at Angelica Hall."

tjt3

Jean

Religious tolerance trumps Catholic roots - on what planet would that be? The university system was built by Catholicism as a place for free and open discourse which laid the groundwork for the scientific revolution. The motivation was to break open our hearts and minds to the realities in God's creation. I'd say those are pretty sound roots and I can't think of any mission that runs deeper than that! There is one rather bright spot: bubbles always burst and the funny money to fund this silliness will soon be unavailable.

Tess

"We got....We got...."
Ouch! That grates on my ears.

Apparently DePaul also has no regard for proper grammer. Wonder what they teach in English class?

Posted by Tess

Liam

I once dated a Catholic woman who studied at De Paul. I was appalled at what she learned there in relation to human sexuality and Church teaching. Adultery was okay as long as it was with someone you "loved." Masturbation was only bad if you used it as an alternative to intercourse with the person you "loved." And so on. I got more Catholic teaching when I was in grade school.
Maybe it's time to remove the Catholic moniker from institutions like these?

LJ

Speaking of errors in English, Tess, I notice that in my post I used the word "bizarre" instead of "bazaar". Perhaps appropriate but not what I intended.

Gary J Sibio

What do you expect from a school whose mascot is the Blue Demon?

Dale Price

DePaul tolerates a rigid, rules-bound Catholicism? Maybe there's hope for it yet!

Posted by: Richard A | Wednesday, April 06, 2011 at 10:30 AM

That was the funniest line in Rev. Halstead's apologia. DePaul "has a rigid, rules-bound [read: orthodox] Catholicism" in the exact same way your local zoo has a cobra: it's something to displayed behind security glass, pointed at, and described as dangerous and endangered.

It's not something ever meant to be loosed upon the outside world. Much less given tenure.

Catherine Mullins

"if you want a Catholicism that's rigid and rule-bound, we got it. We got the Catholicism for the Catholics who just want spiritual practice but wouldn't know a rule if it hit them in the face. We got the kind of Catholicism..."

Sounds like an ice cream shop.

Great article. Saving this one for friends who are confused by all the "types of Catholacism" they see today.

former student

I did undergrauate and graduate education there. An exzcellent secualr school.

The advice given by older students to freshmen when taking religion courses "Don't bother learn anything about the subject, the only way to not get an "A" is to confuse the instructor with facts. That was the late 60's.

Richard A

"a cobra: it's something to displayed behind security glass, pointed at, and described as dangerous and endangered."

A cobra, though, unlike 'rigid, rules-bound (read: orthodox) Catholicism' is probably not thought by the DePaul administration as worthy of extinction.

Will Bishops ever speak?

Thank God we have not been fooled by these Catholic frauds like so many. Our son is going to attend a college consistently on the Newman Society list. When will the bishops in the diocese in which the schools are located speak out about these fraudulent institutions? Even a casual, dismissive comment about the fraudulent Catholic institution in their midst would be better than silence - which only confirms their acceptance of this. Weakness, cowardice, what else?

DePaul student and interfaith leader

As a DePaul University student and leader, I have to say that I think the article missed a big point regarding DePaul's approach to Catholicism.

I was told by many of the staff in Catholic Campus Ministry that at it's core, "catholic" means universal, and as diverse as DePaul is, I think to take any other approach or to be exclusive to other religions would make Vinny DePaul roll over in his grave. DePaul was a man who, like Jesus, reached out to the poor and marginalized, the oppressed, anybody and treated them with the human dignity they deserved. What's wrong with wanting to be an institution that lives out Jesus' mission to "love thy neighbor as thy self"? And to do that, to really love others regardless of their identities, is to be inclusive, supportive, and encouraging.

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