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Tuesday, March 22, 2011

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Jack Swan

How hard is it to say this, even to powerful people:

Catechism 2184: "Those who deliberately fail in this obligation [i.e., to attend Mass every Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation] commit a grave sin."

Catechism 2390: "All these situations [e.g., concubinage] offend against the dignity of marriage; they destroy the very idea of the family; they weaken the sense of fidelity. They are contrary to the moral law. The sexual act must take place exclusively within marriage. Outside of marriage it always constitutes a grave sin and excludes one from sacramental communion."

How does it help anyone to stand by and say nothing while people go down the path to destruction?

Charles E Flynn

For the record, the Gray Lady has apparently continued to fail to review the book that reports her own lapse from the standards of the attempt to engage in objective journalism:

http://www.amazon.com/Gray-Lady-Down-Decline-America/dp/1594034869/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1300748106&sr=1-1

So, on March 28th, the New York Times will ask us to spend at least $15 a month to read its Website and use its cellphone app. I hope I can justify sending these people money, on the grounds that, just as adolescent boys read Playboy for the interviews, I read the The New York Times for the criticism of architecture and the occasional article about industrial design.

Beth

Charles...

Don't pay the Times for anything. Go to the library once in a while and read it via your tax dollars.

Beth

Having now read the whole article, if Archbishop Dolan said the matter of Cuomo's cohabitation and irregular mass attendance was a "tempest in a teapot", then I am disappointed. I don't trust the times for quoting Dolan accurately. I am hoping that's the case.

Bill Russell


This affects only the Diocese of Albany, but also the Archdiocese of New York where Cuomo is resident in Mt. Kisco.

Items from local newspapers:

Regarding Andrew Cuomo and his mistress receiving communion: “And so Jesus was easily ready to embrace the people that the scribes and the pharisees condemned,” said Reverend Msgr. Robert Richie, Rector of St. Patrick’s Cathedral.

Joseph Zwilling, spokesman for the Archdiocese of New York, said the controversy (living together) did not arise during the governor’s “cordial” lunch with the bishops.
“Thank God it didn’t,” Archbishop Timothy M. Dolan told reporters after the meeting, “because it was a bit of a tempest in a teapot.”

George R. Kadlec

Some quotes from various individuals:

G. K. Chesterton:

“There are an infinite number of ways to fall, but there is only one way to stand.”

“Is one religion as good as another? Is one horse in the Derby as good as another?”

"I believe in getting into hot water; it keeps you clean."

“I want a church that moves the world not one that moves with it”

“Moral issues are always terribly complex for someone without principles.”

“When men cease to believe in God they do not thereafter believe in nothing; they believe in anything!”

"Today, having a clear faith based on the Creed of the Church is often labeled as fundamentalism. Whereas relativism, that is, letting oneself be tossed here and there, carried about by every wind of doctrine [Ephesians 4:14], seems the only attitude that can cope with modern times. We are building a dictatorship of relativism that does not recognize anything as definitive and whose ultimate goal consists solely of one's ego and desires." --- Cardinal Ratzinger (before he became pope)

George Orwell “During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

(Matt 13:27-30). How would we be sifted?
Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household. (Matt 10:34-36)

Hillaire Belloc stated “It is a nice question whether ignorance or stupidity play the greater part in human affairs.”

St. Athanasius is the first recognized Doctor of the Church and has the title “Father of Orthodoxy.” The following quote has been attributed to him “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops.”


Fr. Vincent Fitzpatrick

The bishops of the state of New York issued a statement in which they committed themselves to disobeying Canon 915. In other words, they committed themselves to continued commission of grave sin--because EVERY instance in which a priest or bishop refuses to obey Canon 915 is grave matter.

Anyone who wishes to become an instant expert on this issue can do no better than to read an article that Cardinal Raymond Burke mailed to every bishop in the United States three years ago. Every bishop KNOWS that giving Communion to pro-abortion Catholics is a mortal sin. No shadow of a doubt is left by the exhaustive treatment of the issue by Cardinal Burke. As Cardinal Burke himself has said recently, the failure of all but about a dozen bishops in the U.S. to obey Canon 915 is a function, not of ignorance, but of corruption.

http://tinyurl.com/canon915

Jzepi98105

It looks to me like Archbishop Dolan - a terrific bishop who I always seem to find myself defending to other conservative Catholics who hear lots of seemingly credible indictments of Abp Dolan's orthodoxy - was misquoted and mischaracterized again.

According to a March 9th AP article posted on WABC's website titled "Archbishop Dolan meets with Cuomo over cuts", Archbishop Dolan's tempest in a teapot comment was not referring to Cuomo's public concubinage but to the alleged snub Cuomo dealt the bishops in saying he was initially too busy to meet with them.

Jzepi98105

Also I just found a very similar article on EWTN's website titled "Archbishop Dolan meets with NY governor over Catholic school budget cuts" where the Archbishop's quote is applied to the snub, not Cuomo's living situation.

lisag

Who wants to be obedient to church teachings when you can have a no obligation relationship with a woman, when you get money and or votes for your views on abortion and gay marriage, when you are treated respectfully by your staff and party, when you control billions of dollars, etc. Why be obedient when no one tells you no and you can do whatever you want. Where is the man's conscious and is he not afraid of eternal damnation? Is he not concerned about the example he is setting for young Catholics? Wake up Mr. Cuomo.

Therese

We need our Bishops and Priests to have the guts to proclaim the teachings of Catholicism, because those teachings come from Our Lord. They shouldn't bend one iota toward the world's agenda which is to change His teachings to excuse their choice of sin.

Dan Deeny

Interesting article. I think too much time is spent on Gov. Cuomo and not enough on the bishop and the priests. Doesn't the appropriate canon law emphasize the responsibilities of the bishop and the priests? In his interesting book God and His Image, Fr. Dominique Barthelemy writes, in the section on Eve in Genesis, that the person who permits, or allows, or acquieses in the sinner's wrongdoing commits a more serious evil.

Steve Cianca

Assuming the bishops were quoted correctly, once again we witness squishy, mealy-mouthed accommodation on the part of bishops who are "uncomfortable" confronting political leaders happy to wrap themselves in the mantle of Catholicism, without actually having to, you know, practice it.

InkStained

No doubt everyone here is very concerned about the state of Gov. Cuomo's soul. That's good to see.

But is it possible for Catholic leaders to work with him *as governor of the state of New York* without immediately bringing up the state of his soul? Or at least, without bringing the state of his soul into, say, on-the-record interviews with newspaper reporters?

Is it possible that the state of his soul isn't necessarily everyone's immediate business? Everyone else here is in a state of grace, no doubt, but my sins will send me to Hell, not Gov. Cuomo's.

Can Catholic Church leaders work with Catholic government leaders without publicly condemning them when they sin, as they certainly do and as they certainly will? Or is that mealy-mouthed accommodation?

Dan Deeny

Fr. Vincent Fitzpatrick has provided very useful information. Perhaps Catholic journalists will now begin to write more about the Christianity of the Catholic bishops?

Donna Bethell

Thanks to Fr. Fitzpatrick for pointing us to Cardinal Burke's article. As for Archbishop Dolan being unfairly misquoted, brooklyn.tv1.com did an interview with him last year, in which he claimed not to know Cuomo's position on abortion and apparently never met a pro-abortion politician he doesn't "deeply respect."

Brad

Dan at 7:10am, hi. Yes, if we abet a brother's sin, we have the millstone to dread. I for one am terrified of that. My own sins carry with them the hope of mercy, but the millstone very much less so. I wonder if it is engraved "no mercy"?

Carl E. Olson

Inkstained: Employing self-righteousness to condemn alleged self-righteousness isn't very effective. Besides, the issue at hand is not "working with the governor", nor is it the judgment of his soul. The issue is the public action(s) of a public official who is Catholic. It would be good to review the interview/article that set this train in motion and then do some further reading here before making more remarks about the facts.

Nancy D.

Enough is enough. It is time for a march in Washington, only this time, to the headquarters of the USCCB.

LJ

Enough is enough. It is time for a march in Washington, only this time, to the headquarters of the USCCB.

It wouldn't be the first time in Church history.

Ed Peters

The NYT has corrected their correction again. It's even clearer that the question of Cuomo and Communion is a serious one.

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