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Saturday, February 26, 2011

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Debbie

How can so many unfaithful men have been judged by ecclesiastical authorities to have had a calling to Holy Orders? What the heck is going on?

Nancy D.

What is needed is a Miracle, and every Miracle requires an act of Faith. Our Lady of Fatima, please intercede for us and help us restore the schism in your Son's Church from the beginning.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john17.htm

Nancy D.

Love is not possessive nor does it serve to manipulate, which is why we can know through Faith and reason, that The Blessed Trinity exists, in an ordered, complementary, communion of Love between The Father and The Son, through the Unity of The Holy Spirit, and thus The Holy Spirit, The Love Between The Father And The Son, must proceed from both The Father and The Son, to begin with.

Glen

Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, Lex Vivendi. The Church is in crisis. It's time for Vatican III.

Joe

Sounds very much like the results of any student evaluations of faculty. Juvenile.

And I have not been in a single parish community where one could even remotely sense too strong an influence from Rome. Exactly the opposite.

"more educated, more sceptical of authority and more willing to think for itself"

meaning self-consciously more educated, more knee-jerk in rejection of authority, and more inclined to imprudently reject advice .... again just like students

Repeat after me: Authority BAD. Follow your bliss.

Michael McFarland

I don't care if there is a Priest shortage. Get rid of unfaithful Priests. Better to be short Priests that to have Priests that are constantly undermining the Church.

Dan

"more educated, more sceptical of authority and more willing to think for itself"

The problem with the laity is not that it is too educated, but that it is not educated enough. The laity's catechesis is so poor that the laity does not know how to think for itself - it just regurgitates what it uncritically absorbs from the surrounding secular culture.

Brad

Joe: lol in a sad way. "follow your bliss" has done more, pre-Oprah, to introduce gnosticism and indifferentism to who would otherwise be Western Christians (by default) than much else. Thanks, Campbell and Moyers! (and of course, via PBS: our tax dollars at work spreading heresies, yay!)

Stephen Sparrow

I live in New Zealand - about three hours flight away from there & two of my children currently live there so I know many Australians & Catholic ones at that. When thinking of this problem I cannot help but reflect on Thomas Aquinas' definition of evil paraphrased by Hilaire Belloc in "The Cruise of The Nona".

"All evil exists in the mistaking or misusing of the means for the end"

Nowhere is that more glaringly obvious than in the misuse put to the place of sex. What we need are more priests who are genuinely saintly - not infected by the world around them - men of prayer. When the early missionaries moved out into Europe they invariably encountered communities that practised infanticide. They didn't immediately wag their fingers and lecture people on how sinful the practice was. No they lived holy lives and preached the gospel and gradually the Holy spirit did his work and these same communities began to realize that their behaviour was incompatible with the message of Jesus. We need a multiplicity of people with Mother Teresa personas. Which 19 or early 20thC Frenchman said "the only tragedy is for us not to be saints". That's what we are called to be. And as Francois Mauriac wrote in The Stumbling Block, "Sanctity is profoundly unaware of itself". Humility is what we all need & it cannot be asked for, we can only ask to be humbled.

There's my six pence worth.

Fernando Umberto Garcia de Nicaragua, Prefectus Minimus: The Jacksonian Institute

A sweeping purge is needed. It won't happen any time soon.

But maybe we should give them a break. After all,, they're in "full communion." Isn't the "New Springtime" wonderful?!

Joe

"... they're in "full communion."

Right. As is Andrew Cuomo, correct?

Meanwhile, so many cast dispersions on SSPXrs. I think the reason God allows *that* schism to continue to exist may be as a corrective to this.

Strange times.

Andrei

hmmm

Liberal noise.

The Charles Sturt University academics Chris McGillion and John O'Carroll approached 1550 active and 160 retired priests for their views on their lives and their church, and 542 took part in the written survey.

Most of those they contacted refused to play along - is it any surprise that those with an axe to grind did?

The whole point of the exercise is to demoralize those of us who are faithful to the Gospel by trying to convince us we are out of step with the modern world where the sex, no matter how perverse is a sacrament.

Things like celibacy are an anathema in such a world view.


Kevin C.

Yep. God allows schism to heal schism. Two wrongs make a right. Gotcha. Who needs obedience, anyway?

Fernando Umberto Garcia de Nicaragua, Prefectus Minimus: The Jacksonian Institute

The SSPX is not in schism. See:

http://www.sspx.org/SSPX_FAQs/q12_sspxschismatic.htm

Also see:

http://www.sspx.org/miscellaneous/canonical/can_obedience_oblige_us_to_disobey.htm

Mary Catholic

How can so many unfaithful men have been judged by ecclesiastical authorities to have had a calling to Holy Orders?

I don't care if there is a Priest shortage. Get rid of unfaithful Priests. Better to be short Priests that to have Priests that are constantly undermining the Church.

This just about sums up my feelings on the subject.

I hope that the bishops of Australia read this book and take to heart what the results mean and as a body set about cleaning the Augean Stables which is Catholicism in Australia.

Dear bishops of Australia,

Seminaries need to teach young men orthodox Catholicism , schools have to be Catholic in more than name, tertiary institutions which profess to being Catholic will have to be Catholic in more than name, priests who don't believe and accept what the Catholic Church believes and teaches should be led to realise that they are in the wrong job, New Age and Eastern meditation and contemplation, covered by a thin veneer of Christianity should be rooted out of the Catholic Education Departments, schools and parishes and a genuine orthodox Catholic prayer life encouraged and taught to people. It's time for a bit of tough love.

It's not rocket science, just common sense from one who loves the Faith.

In Him,
Mary Catholic

Here's praying that while the Catholic Faith in Australia might be down, it won't go under.

If by "go under" you mean that the Catholic Faith will disappear from Australia, no that won't happen because there will be a remnant who remember what it was like to be an orthodox Catholic and who will pass this treasure on to their children. There will be a remnant who will attend the Extraordinary Form of the Mass and will pass the true Faith on to their children.

Everyone is aware that there is a defacto schism in Latin Rite Catholicism today but no one wants to point it out because something might have to be done about it. If the bishops of Australia can get their act together and display some episcopal spine the Stables might just be cleaned and the cancer of dissent excised from the Church before the whole body is infected. Will this be easy? No because the media will be told everything that the nasty patriarchical Church is doing to all those poor people who merely want to luve everyone come as they are as Jesus did and the populace will be almost unanimous in their criticism of Rome and the hierarchy. Do the bishops have the stomach for such a showdown? Only time will tell. We mustn't forget that when Cardinal O'Boyle tried to stop the dissent in the American Church before it got really underway, Rome didn't support him.

Kevin C.

Can obedience oblige us to disobey?

It reminds me of a line from "The Everlasting Man":

Strictly speaking of course we know nothing about prehistoric man, for the simple reason that he was prehistoric. The history of the prehistoric man is a very obvious contradiction in terms. It is the sort of unreason in which only rationalists are allowed to indulge.

Fernando Umberto Garcia de Nicaragua, Prefectus Minimus: The Jacksonian Institute

Kevin, that's some typical Chestertonian flippancy there. Cute. But we actually can reasonably speak of the history of prehistoric man if we think of history in two senses. First, simply as that which happened. Second, as bound with the diffusion of writing. So we can think of the history of prehistoric man as that which happened before the diffusion of writing. Chesterton there speaks of history as if it only had the latter sense, when in fact "the history of prehistoric man" employs both senses.

At any rate, Sacred Scripture itself teaches that when our duties to men, even ecclesiastical authorities, require the violation of our duties to God, our duties to God are to be fulfilled:

"And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, Saying: Commanding we commanded you, that you should not teach in this name; and behold, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and you have a mind to bring the blood of this man upon us. But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men."

-Acts 5:27-29

Being faithful can never mean abandoning the faith. It can never mean that those who have abandoned the faith are in "full communion," or that heretics (Protestants) are in "partial communion" and are "separated brethren," while those who have simply adhered to the faith, who have introduced no novelties (such as the very concepts of "partial" and "full communion"), are somehow outside the Church.

As things continue to unravel, this will become increasingly clear and therefore less and less deniable. Or as my father says, real conservatism never wins until bombs and plagues have done their work. As this Australian filth indicates, along with new stories every day for the last 46 years, the bombs are exploding. The plagues are spreading. To deny their source is the sort of unreason in which only the blind or the malicious are allowed to indulge. The Council has borne its fruits. They're poisonous.

I feel sorry for the authorities responsible for this catastrophe. The blood of millions will be on their heads. See Ezekiel chs. 3 & 34.

Ed Peters

Mike McF got me to thinking. I'm all for careful analysis of individual cases, you know, but he has a point. When there is a priest shortage, bad priests are disproportionately disruptive. If you have plenty a good priests, a few bad ones don't do terrible harm. But when you have relatively fewer good priest, the bad apples really make their presence felt even more....

Marguerite

What is even more frightening is the percentage of priests who no longer believe in the Real Presence of Our Lord. When a priest starts Mass with a request to say hello to Jesus next to us, behind us and in front of us without making mention of his Real Presence on the altar, I start to shudder.

LJ

Well said Stephen Sparrow. And well worth the six pence.

Bill

I pray for priests that are in schism with the teaching of the church. It will truly be a sad day for them if they die in schism. Perhaps they don't believe in the fourth commandment as well.

Thomas Waugh

Greeting from Australia,

The Church in this country needs a lot of prayer. Whilst initiatives of monumental value have been put in place by His Eminence Cardinal George Pell and other Bishops, the Church in this country, like most of the west, still largely suffers from the silly 60s, 70s and 80s. Knowledge of the Faith amongst most Catholics is, to say the least, inadequate and there is little outreach to non-Christians in the form of preaching the Gospel. Australia becomes more secular year by year and there is an ever increasing number of youth who are brought up without the slightest knowledge of the Christian Faith.

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