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Friday, February 04, 2011

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Patty

Thank you for this. I believe a significant number of the missing disciples have been the faithful women religious who were models for us daily as they taught in our Catholic schools many years ago. Unfortunately in more recent decades some of these have been part of the problem in actually undermining the fullness of the truth of our Catholic faith. There is a significant rise in vocations in some faithful teaching orders, so there is much reason for hope. We must continue to pray. We must get those faithful women in our schools to model a true disciple on a daily basis for our children.

Randy

Is this another one of those Sherry bait posts? She has been working overtime to tell everyone we got to make disciples. Vocations seems like just another symptom of the bigger problem.


http://www.siena.org/January-2011/unintentional-mega-blogging-the-collapse-of-cultural-catholicism.html

The problem I have with "making disciples" is how to do it. That is where there is less agreement. Do more reverent masses result in disciple-making? Does more catechesis do it? More preaching on mortal sins? We want all these things but what is the place to start? Which one can we focus on and expect the others to follow? The answer depends who you talk to.

Stephen Sparrow

Randy, I think the problem lies with ourselves - St Francis is reputed to have said "preach constantly, if necessary use words". Our Church has many saints both canonized and not. Our duty is not merely to admire them but to follow them and in following them we find Jesus.

Randy

Personally I think that saying is really part of the problem. I don't think St Francis ever said it. It isn't in any of his writings. I think it is a pretty recent saying. I do think it is a rationalization for a spirit of cowardice. Not exactly a spirit that will attract disciples.

In fact, that saying is frequently used when someone is trying NOT to talk about a specific Catholic teaching. Like a ministry to homosexuals that avoids the Catholic teaching on sodomy. Just be Jesus to them and don't use words. Maybe the Holy Spirit will change their thinking. Maybe the Holy Spirit is calling you to listen to the last 2 verses of Matthew:

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

Notice how teaching obedience is part of making a disciple.

David Ancell

When I first became Catholic, I had a hard time for several years finding a real example of a lived experience of the authentic Catholic faith. Even to this day, coherent examples of how to live a life as as Christian in this world are not exactly plentiful. A lot of small groups and support systems have been formed, but they were often not doctrinally sound. To have a real discipleship, we need both doctrinally sound instruction and some real living examples of how the Christian life is experienced.

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