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Saturday, July 17, 2010


Kiki Day

Oy. It's the logic I don't understand.

Jesus picked Peter. Should we restrict our selections for the papacy to men named Peter? Did Jesus adequately represent all the types of men there are in the twelve? Their "personalities and productivities"? Shall we ensure that each of our priests, bishops etc. represents one of the apostles? Which one was the pedophile?

As a Loyolan (M.R.E., IPS, '92) and a Vatican II communicant I'm reminded of this line from John XXIII: "All are welcome at the table." And this one: "The least likely are chosen." Certainly we all qualify under this last criteria, don't we?

Whose arrogance has led to our exclusion and how much longer will we endure its labored and illogical justification? Prejudice is a gravely destructive sin, on a par with any others I've seen in institutional church. It will and does continue to take us down.

While my daughters and I wait patiently on the church steps I recall my Yiddish heritage, my mother explaining the Front of the Book from the Back, so to speak. In this matter, there is no Christ, no healing, no saving grace, as if the fruit of the gospels were left in the vineyard and only the slim, withering vine was harvested.

"NO" to all women and the priesthood will, I believe, bring on the Reformation we were promised forty odd years ago by one who did his best to renew us. Without it the women will eventually turn and shake the dust from their sandals, and, I believe, without guilt or regret. Because truly, our Christ is not thus; you have made our Christ thus.

Charles E Flynn

A priest is supposed to be a living icon of Jesus Christ. It is difficult to see how a woman could be a living icon of a man.

Kiki Day

Dear Charles,
Calling Jesus a "man" is heresy.
Apart from that, it is difficult to see how today's priests represent anyone.

Jeff Miller

A great book!

Carl E. Olson

Calling Jesus a "man" is heresy.

Kiki: Are you Catholic? If so, I think you need to take some basic catechesis. If calling Jesus a "man" is heresy, then the Incarnation, a central dogma of the Catholic Church (and Christianity at large) is heretical. St. Paul would be a heretic:

"But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many." (Rom. 5:15).

And the Nicene Creed would also be heretical: "For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man."

If you aren't clear on this basic point, it's going to be impossible to comprehend the Church's teaching about the priesthood.

Sheryl D

I would also recommend The Catholic Priesthood and Women: A Guide to the Teaching of the Church by Sara Butler for an excellent explanation of why there church is not able to ordain women.

Deacon Harold

The greatest saint in the history of the Church, who is the greatest example of what it means to be fully human, is not a priest or bishop ... or even a man. She is the Blessed Virgin Mary.

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