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Saturday, June 12, 2010

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Bill

I am no longer surprised by the ignorance and bias of those who write for the NYT, or by their outright and open hatred of religion. I am only surprised that they get away with it, obvious as it is. What also surprises me is that there are still millions of people who regard the NYT as the last word in truth and journalistic integrity. In my opinion, it's become just another rag, hardly different from the tabloids in its devotion to cheap sensationalism.

Oh, yeah -- full disclosure: I edit for a living. I'd fire any writer who turned in a piece like that.

Sharon

I'm beginning to get the idea that the NYT doesn't like Catholicism!

Charles E Flynn

I am not surprised that the author of the review did not know that the pigment was not originally green. Years ago, I saw an exhibit of Finnish industrial design with labels written by a presumably-American graduate student who did not know the difference between mahogany and birch.

Julia

Many years ago in the 1980s, at Washington U in St Louis, a very liberal philosophy professor teaching a course on modern philosophical thought told us something very similar to what that atheist teaching assistant told you. The Professor had lived for several years in Florence and said that before the Enlightenment, people knew they had a place in the world and weren't confused like they are today. He also said he greatly admired the Catholic religion because it tries mightily to be systematically logical. He personally knew Wittgenstein et al and found them depressing. At the time I had been 10 years out of the Church.

The icing on the cake was the very last class for my Masters. I thought it would be interesting to see what a secular historian had to teach in a class on the Catholic Church and the Popes. The professor was Anglican and I was the only Catholic student. We read only original sources starting with the letters of Clement and letters from around the Mediterranean that referred to the Bishop of Rome. He showed his slides of the then-new digging for Peter's tomb under the Vatican. We followed the trail through the Justinian Code to the the founding of universities to what was going on in Hamlet's head to the Tractarians. Unfortunately, I got my only "C" in that class because I couldn't come up with a non-religious answer to the semester paper"s required subject - "Why is the Catholic Church and its Popes still around after 2,000 years?"

By the time I finished my Masters, I had found my way back to the Church thanks to that secular university. Strange.

Sandra Miesel

Here's a bit of fluff from Canwest News Service. Spot the reporter's amazing mental lapse?

http://www.nationalpost.com/Agora+director+Alejandro+Amenabar+real+ladies/3137003/story.html

Kmbold

Hypatia must have time-traveled back a few centuries, eh, Sandra?

Michael

Overt and crude Catholic-bashing! Well, I guess the NYT did not get the dirt on Pope Benedict that they thought they would. I honestly believe during the past few months they actually thought they were on the very verge of bringing down the Catholic Church. "Intelligent" people never cease to amaze me. Do these people have a life? Is our Church so heavily burdening their minds ;).

Kmbold

There they go again.
Am I overly sensitive or has the NYT's attitude toward the church gotten a lot more iniquitous and even more ubiquitous?
Let Johnson go find that “smiling Buddha”. He is clearly unable to comment on anything deeper, such as art relating to "some Christian deity".
I have to hand it to him, though: in his article he didn't once mention pedophile priests.

cantueso

"How did the Roman Catholic Church maintain its grip on European hearts and minds for so long? Judging by this exhibition, the answer seems to be by artfully managing the fear, ignorance and superstition of the faithful. The rise of humanism from the Renaissance on came as an exhilarating release for the Western world’s cramped imagination."

You seem to forget how destitute Europe was once the Roman empire collapsed. You can't summarize 800 years in one sentence. Imagine yourself getting summarized as part of the European Renaissance! Which would not be so absurd, since it was the REnaissance which brought about that curiosity about what there might be further out there.

Tim H

I suppose the invention of the hospice and the hospital were inventions of sado-masochistic medieval Christianity. So much for fear, ignorance and superstition.

-Tim-

Christopher Lake

Ahh, the journalistic and art elites of New York are funny... no, make that tragi-comic.

Some people *really* need to be exposed to a wider view of history and culture. The "fear, ignorance, and superstition" of St. Thomas Aquinas, Leonardo da Vinci, Gregor Mendel, Louis Pasteur, and Francois Mauriac (to name but a few, from over the centuries) have stimulated the minds of millions...

Ismael

Ken Johnson is awfully IGNORANT... and I would dare say STUPID.

Either that or he is a bigot with a passion for hating the Church. His article is thus either stupid or intolerant.

Two points

1- FACTS he got wrong:

He writes:

"The weirdness of this Christian iconography persists, however, in Annibale Carracci’s otherwise naturalistic painting from 1587-88 of a sweet Madonna and Child to whom St. Lucy — the early Christian martyr whose eyes were extracted by her torturers — presents a pair of staring eyeballs on a saucer."

St. Lucy, as a matter of fact was NOT tortured by removal of the eyes.

She died around 304 AD, under Diocletian's persecution, but no accounts tell of eye-gouging.

The iconography comes from that fact that Lucy, from the Latin 'Lux' means 'light' and so she was early on associated as the patron of the eyes. An this detail did not appear before the XV century.


Where did Johnson get his facts? Wikipedia? Yes English wikipedia (which I recently edited ) also reported the famous 'eye-gouging'

Sheesh! You would expect that a serious critic would use a reliable source....

1b- Art HISTORY

I am not sure what degree Ken Johnson holds... but even with the advent of renaissance and humanism there are many paintings and other works of art that depict the death of saints...

So I do not understand when he says "The rise of humanism from the Renaissance on came as an exhilarating release for the Western world’s cramped imagination. "

Is he serious? Did he go to college? Did he study art? From these words I would say NO...
If he did study art... then I doubt his intelligence...

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2- ILLOGICAL conclusions

Why would the images of tortured saints keep people IN the Church?

The saints were Christians AND GOT KILLED BECAUSE OF IT.

Now... logically one would rather think: 'If being Christian gets me marthyred, I'd rather NOT be Christian'.

I think Ken Johnson completely misses the point of the iconography regarding martyrdom.
They show us the courage and strong faith the martyrs had.

In any case, such images would certainly NOT 'scare you Christian', but would perhaps have the opposite effect, for those who do not understand what is depicted in the painting... just like Ken Johnson, it seems.

Manuel G. Daugherty Razetto

Historicity and Faith become intertwined on the reasons why the Church has not just survived but triumphed through 2 millennia. Since the beginning we see wondrous upward shifts that placed Christianity as the true salvation for mankind.

St. Paul has to be acknowledged as the one who initiated universality in the Church by his persistence in accepting gentiles, opening the door to all. By crowning the Synoptic Gospels with St. John's hellenized theology the Church took the biggest step to become the perfect messenger of our Faith-the Divine Nation- Union and Discipline characterized the first hundred years.

The presence of prodigious men and women, true saints, have glorified the teaching of our Lord Jesus, like St. Augustine, Aquinas, St. Boniface, St. Francis, St. Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross, Ignacio de Loyola et al.

Shakespeare's Cobbler the ever loginner forgetter who needs to sync all his blog IDs

What I don't get is how St. Lucy, if the eye-gouging story were true, was about fear. Fear is how decadent ancient Rome tried to rule those upstart Christians -- and St. Lucy, like the rest of the martyrs, just demonstrates that even making good on the threats of fear just plain doesn't work in the great grand scheme of things. St. Lucy of gouged-out eyes is an awe-filled example of Christianity kicking fear's *ss. You'd have to come into the picture already thinking Christianity has to do with fear in order to conclude this was evidence for that -- and in that case, you're using circular logic. Well, ok, it might not be so obstinate -- you could also think it's about fear simply because your brain shuts down in terror when you leave your supposedly fear-free bubble of hippy flower soap suds. I'll leave it up to those who feel such comments are directed at them to decide which is less insulting -- I'm just listing the possible ways one can bypass logic and reach a conclusion so backward.

Catholic Art

Honestly I believe during the past few months they actually thought they were on the very verge of bringing down the Catholic Church.

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