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Wednesday, October 21, 2009

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Don

This whole statement was nonsense. The evangelicals want to "revisit" statements that Mary was conceived without sin?

Why doesn't this group just admit that ecumenism as currently practiced is dead?

The can pray all they want, but the Church isn't going to repudiate Catholic dogma on the Virgin Mary.

Mark Brumley

Hmmm. While I am certain the Church is not going to repudiate her Marian dogma, I don't think it follows from this that ecumenism is dead or that the whole statement is nonsense.

joe

Ecumenism dead? Hardly. Look at the robust material printed at First Things of Touchstone Magazine. Look at the Protestants reading Benedict XVI, or the Catholics reading Lewis. ECT is based on the newer idea that Ecumenism does not have to succeed at the organizational level to breed a healthy appreciation of separated brethren. Of course Protestants don't embrace the Marian distinctives entirely. And of course in official statements the defensive staking out of positions takes place. But if they begin to at least heighten their appreciation of Mary, that in itself is a good development.

Evan

Joe, what I find peculiar as a Protestant is how all of the "good development" presumably occurs on the Protestant side. Were the Evangelicals to have said, as Mark does above of the Catholics, that "the Church is not going to repudiate her Marian dogma", I could only imagine what the reception would be like.

It strikes me that ecumenism is being engaged in much more seriously and generously on the Protestant side than on the Catholic side. Were our positions switched and the Protestants were the ones not budging on dogma while the Catholics spoke of "revisiting" doctrines of immaculate conception, etc., no one would think of the Protestants as anything but sectarian fundamentalists, and no one would think of the Catholics as anything but revisionist liberals.

And speaking of things I find interesting... I love that you couldn't help but change "ECT" to "CET" in the title of this post, Carl. Very mature.

Carl E. Olson

Twasn't immaturity, Evan, but a simple mistake. But I take comfort in the knowledge you are always looking out for me...

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