ZENIT: Do you believe that Catholic schools do a good job of fostering a Catholic mind in young Catholics?
Father Schall: Briefly, no.
No one could think that the curriculum and spirit of Catholic schools today are based in the tradition of specifically Catholic intelligence. That requires discipline, study, and virtue.
In the modern world, we find no group more deprived of the glories of their own mind than young Catholics. This is why those small enclaves that do address themselves to it are in many ways remarkable.
Catholic institutions of higher learning, as they are called, simply gave up what was unique about themselves and the reasons for having Catholic universities in the first place. This lost source was the active vigor of the Catholic mind read not as an historical phenomenon or as a social activism, but as a search for and testimony of the truth, that towards which all mind is directed.
ZENIT: What modern persons, in your opinion, best embody ‘a mind that is Catholic?' Why?
Father Schall: In most of my books, beginning with "Another Sort of Learning," I have provided lists of books or reminders of them -- books that I think tell the truth.
I always list Chesterton and E. F. Schumacher. I think the present pope, as well as the previous one, were marvels of the Catholic mind, a mind that comes to grips with all things, yet with the light of grace and revelation.
The philosophy department at the Catholic University of America, to which I dedicated my book "The Mind That Is Catholic," is a perennial source of wisdom and rigorous intelligence. There is no place quite like it. I am a great admirer of the work of Monsignor Sokolowski, whose latest book, "The Phenomenology of the Human Person," is itself the Catholic mind at work; it is a mind that knows of reason and its limits as well as of its reaches.
Why do these and many other thinkers "embody a mind that is Catholic?" I think it is because they take everything into account.
What is peculiar to Catholicism, I have always thought, is its refusal to leave anything out. In my short book, "The Regensburg Lecture," I was constantly astonished at the enormous range of the mind of the present Holy Father. There is simply no mind in any university or public office that can match his. He is a humble man, in fact.
It is embarrassing to the world, and often to Catholic "intellectuals," to find that its most intelligent mind is on the Chair of Peter. I have always considered this papal intellectual profundity to be God's little joke to the modern mind.
The modern mind has built up for itself theories and ideologies whereby it prevents itself from seeing the truth that a man like Benedict XVI spells out for it in lucid and rigorously argued terms – terms fully aware and familiar with all of modern philosophy itself.
But Benedict XVI is a messenger of the Logos.
Read the entire interview.
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Thank you for this interesting interview.
I imagine Ambassador Kmiec and Ambassador Diaz would agree wholeheartedly with Fr. Schall. As would Sec. Sebelius, who is deeply hurt by the action of her bishop. Sen Thomas Harkin, a law school graduate of Catholic University, would, I suppose, also wholeheartedly agree with Fr. Schall.
I hope Fr. Schall can write an essay on how it is that devout Catholics can support the abortion business. We must remember that Sen. Kennedy became pro-choice following the instructions of learned and scholarly priests. We might also remember that pro-choice Catholics sometimes refer to Matthew 25 in support of their actions.
Let us pray that Fr. Schall will bring us light.
Posted by: Dan Deeny | Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 05:49 AM
I teach Latin and Theory of Knowledge at a large public high school and happened to read this interview while at lunch. If God would grant me the grace to do so, I believe I would begin to weep. Fr. Schall has poignantly expressed what humane education is all about. This is it. There is nothing else. Thank you for publishing this piece.
Posted by: Magister Christianus | Tuesday, September 29, 2009 at 09:12 AM
It would help if Catholic elementary and high schools taught in a Catholic way, instead of being (ours anyway) the same as non-Catholic schools, but with a couple of prayers and a religion class thrown in. I am profoundly disappointed with the "Catholic" part of what I pay tuition for.
Posted by: Gail F | Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 08:23 AM
What would help is if more Catholics who believe in this vision of Catholic education went into teaching and for those diocese that have a department that deals with, curriculum development.
As well, we need more Catholics who believe along the lines of Fr. Schall in elementary and high school administration. A lot of the battles are there but few are there to stand up for what is truly Catholic.
I say this as someone who has been in Catholic education for nine years and have seen multiple approaches to making an education "Catholic" and/or making it "up to date" and something that will "appeal" to a wider student population. Perhaps the word "tragic" is most apt when describing what has happened to many Catholic schools and Catholic education in the broader sense throughout this nation.
That said, there are many of us trying to assist with a Catholic education. Just not enough to make the difference noticeable on a national scale.
Imagine what would happen if Catholics went into education and brought Catholic values into the Catholic schools the same way many leftists or multiculturalists did with the government schools the past few decades!
What a difference we would see. A redemption, no doubt!
Posted by: W. | Wednesday, September 30, 2009 at 09:33 AM