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Monday, December 08, 2008

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Dan

I also bridle at the "they don't care about the born" comment, which is as common as it is unsubstantiated. It is more often than not uttered by a liberal who considers voting Democratic as the fulfilment of any and all charitable obligations. The documented fact is that both pro-life sentiment and charitable giving/work correlate strongly to religious commitment.

Todd

Well ... President Carter properly qualified the statement by writing "some" pro-life activists. We know that some do involve themselves after a person is born.

But let's be honest: many pro-lifers are one trick ponies. They focus on the political aspects of the issue to the exclusion of others. One might rightly argue that's a prudential judgment, and perhaps political people have no business adopting kids, or visiting the sick, or community organizing or undertaking other activities for which they have no skill or ambition.

The overall public image of the pro-life movement can use improvement: an easy case can be made for this. We need to note traps, like Archbishop Burke appearing to bail on a children's hospital, and avoid public spectacle that erodes dignity and believability.

In the effort to speak the Truth, some (but not all) pro-lifers have tossed aside any hope to persuade fence-sitters. We will need more than publicity campaigns financed by Saints to get the message across. This kind of criticism is important. We should listen to it. We should respond soberly and with an eye to improving ourselves. We should be thankful we're still on the radar.

Francis Beckwith

I actually don't understand the Jimmy Carter argument. Suppose he's right--that prolifers don't really care about postnatal children (which is, of course, false)--how would it would follow from that fact that killing prenatal children is justified? I don't get why showing that prolifers lack virtue somehow counts as support for the correctness of abortion rights. At some point someone has to tell former-President Carter: Sir, if you believe abortion is justified, defend it. If you believe that prolifers are bad people, provide evidence. But don't try to avoid defending your position on abortion by raising questions about the virtue of your fellow citizens who disagree with your position. It is despicable, and unpresidential.

Francis Beckwith

"The overall public image of the pro-life movement can use improvement."

The reality is great. The image sucks. Blame the image-makers, the abortion rights media.

Todd, are you actually admitting that you are fencing-sitting on the issue of abortion because of the image or prolifers? It's not often that people confess their own superficiality in print. God bless you. Now go and sin no more.

Carl E. Olson

It is despicable, and unpresidential.

For my money, that sums up most of Jimmy Carter's beliefs and actions.

Mark Brumley

Dr. Beckwith is, of course, correct.

But let's be honest: many pro-lifers are one trick ponies. They focus on the political aspects of the issue to the exclusion of others.

How many is many? My experience is that few prolifers are "single issue people" or limit themselves to politics, etc. They prioritize the right to life of unborn children but that does not make them "one trick ponies".

But even so, as Dr. Beckwith says, the Carter claim doesn't make the case it is supposed to make, even if it were true.


Re: AB Burke, "Good work, AB, for not caving to human opinion."

Todd

Thanks for the responses, all. I continue to urge reading comprehension: the president said that "some" pro-lifers have a problem with life after birth. He's right. I think a group of people can quibble as to the scope of that number: one percent, ninety-nine or somewhere in between. I happen to think the number of compassionate pro-lifers is rather higher than liberals suspect. Good for us, but let's get the word out, eh?

"It is despicable, and unpresidential."

No, it's really not. But I can understand that the truth grates on us and it makes us inclined to lash out.

"Todd, are you actually admitting that you are fencing-sitting on the issue of abortion because of the image or prolifers?"

Hardly. Now Francis, if you would be so kind as to write in your next post: "I know Todd is a devoted pro-lifer. He cares about the born and the unborn. I don't like his stance on the peripherals of the pro-life effort, but I can acknowledge he's on my side."

Thanks for that.

LJ

Class dismissed.

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