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Saturday, November 22, 2008

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g

I'm curious if this priest's chancery threw him under the bus the way Fr Newman's did. It makes it very difficult for a diocesan priest (I am the mother of one) to stand up for the self-evident fact that voting for someone as radically pro-abortion as O is aiding in serious sin when the diocesan powers-that-be simply cut the branch you're standing on.

BillyHW

But Carl, he's promised to end poverty and war.

You've got to take the good with the bad.

Mike

People need to checkout World Net Daily website there are articles in there talking about the Supreme Court on December 5th holding a conference on Barack Obama's birth certificate or should I say lack of. There are cases all over the country asking for electorial voters to hold off from voting on December 15th until Barack Obama shows his legal orginal birth certificate. One case is filed in California by Alan Keyes!

Dr John James

End war? He's about to start a war, the war on the helpless!
This priest's comments, however, do raise a very important question about how the Church ought to respond to those running for public office, who state they are Catholic but espouse and defend the 'right' to kill the unborn and who misrepresent the Church's teaching, confusing further an already very confused Faithful. What happened, if anything, to Biden and Pelosi?
In my country, Australia, which has a Westminster system of government and is a constitutional monarchy, our Opposition leader is Catholic but defends the 'right" to kill the unborn.
I really believe the Church should consider formal excommunication for these people if, after being given clear private advice, by a suitable person, that their public policy position and their public profession of their 'Catholicism' are contradictory, they persist in their adherence to this idea that the unborn can have their life taken from them by those with power over them.

LJ

Zon is a classic case. Anyone who promotes the right to choose, on whatever grounds (usually some variation of the privacy argument) has already accepted the premise that killing an unborn is not a premeditated killing or even killing at all. Those people do not have the right to call themselves pro-life, whether "personally" or otherwise, and we should not let them get away with that kind of sophistry.

I have heard the argument recently as well, that arose from the stand of BO in the Illinois Senate on the Born Alive Protection Act, that abortion law allows the mother to terminate the pregnancy but not explicitly to terminate the life of the baby. If the first is accomplished without the second as the consequence, the BAPA law should not even be necessary, but the true mindset of the abortion proponents and practitioners becomes obvious when the death of the child is presumed as included in the intent of the mother. It seems clear at that point that the choice has less to do with privacy and the health of the woman than simple extermination.

Karen Hall

Someone needs to explain this to "Zon" (and to 54% of Catholic voters): no one is telling a woman she can't do what she wants with HER body. It's that OTHER body that is the problem.

Mary Ellen

A small ray of hope here, may be that the president-elect has been thusfar busy BREAKING most of his campaign promises. Change we can believe in seems to be reinventing the Clinton wheel, and for all of the obama zombies on the left thinking that the one would end all war -- well good luck with that, especially with Hillary as Sec of State. All of the blacks, the hispanics, the asians, the left that thought O was promising to fill his cabinet with their people are reeling in the reality of what the one is actually doing. What upset me most about this guy from the beginning is that he had no resume, and the one thing that he proved over and over again is that he lies - consistently, often and about almost anything. (I never trust a person who has to change their name from the humble name to the grandiose name.) When it was convenient he played the blacks, or the whites, or the left, or the libs, etc. The only proveable fact about Obama is that he is, has been and always will be for Obama. This ability of Obama's to throw all of his promises under the bus, (where he conveniently threw his grandmother and his mentor), and the fact that the problems with the economy are likely to be catastrophic, long-lasting and all-consuming, are giving me some hope that he will not act on what he promised in re: changing the abortion laws. Let us hope -- and pray.

Dan Deeny

Thank you for this information on the abortion business. I hope Sen. Obama reads this and learns from it. But what about Sen. Biden? He is a Catholic and knows the rules. I don't think Sen. Obama is the principal problem: after all, if you had listened to Rev. Wright for twenty years, you would be troubled and confused too. But Sen. Biden has listened to Catholic priests and taken Catholic instruction all his life. And he has done this. And what about all the rest of us?

joanne

Dan, are you asking who is more at fault, the idol or the idolaters? Interesting question when the idol is human. It's similar to the question of whether sins of commission are worse than sins of omission, and whether an abortionist who is ignorant of the faith is more guilty than teachers of the faith who fail to instruct the faithful about the plight of the unborn, the disabled and the elderly. And whether deliberate but remote cooperation in intrinsic evil is worse than unintentional, direct evil actions.
Quite frighteningly, though, Jesus says that those who neglect the needy (and who is needier than the child in the womb?) will "go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life." Mt 25:46.
Neglect. A sin of omission, right? So, whatever happens to those who knowingly and directly kill, (how can the penalty be worse than eternal punishment?) there is no excuse for any Christian to have voted for a pro-abortion candidate.
Given that, it seems to me that those pastors who have urged voters to seek reconciliation have offered them the wonderful gift of God's mercy. Rather than say "never mind, we didn't really mean it" it would be awesome if they made the offer again and explained why. When the sheep are all done bleating, they will come to terms with the truth, receive forgiveness, and be reconciled to the Church.
Our response to being urged to confess our sins (and no doubt we are all guilty of cooperating with abortion in some way, by our sins) is almost as alarming as the outcome of the election.

yes, that Honor

I'm thrilled to bits that so many members of the clergy have been making press on abortion and assisted suicide this election cycle, but I have to say, as an active pro-lifer since 1970 (Washington state Referendum 20 that year, allowing abortion in the 1st trimester), WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN WAITING FOR?! We've been praying and pleading for our clergy to step up to the plate, and though good men have done so, most have been silent for more than a generation, or watered down the message by throwing war and capital punishment into the mix. I want to ask those who have been silent all these years: Were Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton not pro-abortion enough to get your attention? Were the first 1 million, or 10 million, or 20 million dead babies a tolerable number? I see pictures of the liberation of the death camps of WWII, shown often so we will "never forget", but I remember all those who said pictures of aborted babies were "distasteful" and "alienating". Why the double standard? We Catholics gave the election to Obama because the clergy has failed to evangelize effectively for two generations, and now have spoken too little, too late. The average-joe Catholic no longer feels compelled to listen to the authoritative voice of the magisterium, after such a prolonged silence on this deadly serious issue. Perhaps they can turn it around in another generation. . .I'll keep praying; we must ALL keep praying.

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