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Sunday, July 06, 2008


Robert Miller

I think the reasons the Anglo-Catholics have "waited so long" are twofold.

Their Protestant heritage has prevented them from fully apprehending the sacramental character of the priesthood -- the alter Christus of the Divine Sacrifice. Thus, despite (and maybe because of)their liturgical "traditionalism", they were able to justify to themselves remaining in some kind of "communion" with congregations that received female "priests"/ministers.

Their English heritage makes them want to be "Catholic", much as it makes most of them monarchists who can accept, in principle, the Act of Supremacy -- i.e., they believe there is warrant for an "English way" of being a Latin Catholic.

I wish them well (return to the one fold, one shepherd), but I think they need to re-apprehend the sacramental character of the priesthood before they can understand why there really is no enduring rationale for an Anglo-Catholic episcopacy.

Richard Pinion

If I remember correctly, I recently saw a post on EWTN's Q&A forum from an English Catholic. He was asking if the Church was ever going to ordain women. They reason he was asking was because petitions to the Pope were being floated around his church. The petitions were for the ordination of women.

It just seams a little funny, Anglicans wanting to become Catholic because they don't agree with women clergy, and English Catholics wanting women clergy.


I forget who said it, but the line "where you find Peter you will find the Church" applies rather well here.

Regarding GAFCON (the Global Anglican Future Conference), N.T. Wright states, "It offers a blank cheque to anyone who wants to defy a bishop for whatever reasons, even if the bishop in question is scrupulously orthodox, and then to claim the right to alternative jurisdictional oversight." I don't see how Wright or any Anglican bishop can demand obedience considering the actions of Henry VIII toward Pope Clement VII.

Fr. Longenecker's comments about "democracy" implies a tyranny of the minority, those select liberal few who deem that they are enlightened enough to make judgments for others. It proceeds from Henry and his ilk all the way to those bishops that ordained the first priestetes and then the Gene Robinson fiasco. Heresy can be a slippery slope to hell!

Dave in IA

It's odd that these Anglicans priests didn't leave when the common folk were put under the control of women priests but only when their own authority comes under a potential woman bishop are they suddenly running for the door.

R W Merchant

The Anglican Communion effectively ceased to exist on Sunday, June 29th, when Gafcon, which claims to represent some 70% of the Anglican world, repudiated the authority of the Archbishop of Canterbury. The genie is out of the bottle and cannot be put back in. Gafcon, for all its rather high sounding rhetoric, is but yet another demonstration of the centrifugal forces inherent in all Protestantism, including its Anglican manifestations. This Anglican spin-off is or certainly will soon become just another fundamentalist sect. That's strong language and I don't use it to be unkind, but their own proclamations make it clear that Scripture, as interpreted by them, reigns supreme, and that Tradition will be appealed to only when it agrees, in their opinion, with Scripture. My crystal ball tells me that within three or four years there will be several divisions within Gafcon. We should keep in mind that that minuscule group called the Episcopal Church, whose original name, significantly, was the Protestant Episcopal Church in the U.S.A. (PECUSA), has spawned ten to fifteen spin-offs of its own. Imagine that! A denomination which, at its zenith, was perhaps 3.5 million members and is now down to about 2.3 million, that denomination has splintered into at least ten new sects. Once the reality of the rupture has been fully realized by the CofE and PECUSA hierarchy, the move to paganism in those bodies will only accelerate. Much has been made of the apparent fact that many CofE bishops and clergy have threatened to leave if women are allowed to be made bishops. Damian Thompson of the Telegraph is absolutely right. These same CofE people did not leave when priestesses made their appearance. Why leave now? The very fact that the CofE, PECUSA and other Anglican provinces have ordained priestesses, and with such ease, demonstrates the profound wisdom of Leo XIII's Apostolica Curae. One final observation. Anglicanism has produced many, many wonderful Christians over the past several centuries. There were the Anglican Divines of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, men like Jeremy Taylor, Richard Hooker and Lancelot Andrews; the Oxford Movement of the nineteenth century; and more modern spiritual giants such as C. S. Lewis, T. S. Eliot, Dorothy L. Sayers, Eric Mascall, Evelyn Underhill and J. N. D. Kelly. Personally, I would feel like a spiritual pauper in the presence of any one of these wonderful people. Yet, at the same time, there has been an Achilles Heel, a fatal flaw at work. It's as if Anglican spiritual tanks were full at the time of the Reformation, and now the tanks have run dry. And we Catholics know why. They are not anchored to the See of Peter.

MMajor Fan

RW Merchant wrote "is but yet another demonstration of the centrifugal forces inherent in all Protestantism..."

What a succinct and accurate imagery, it is indeed "centrifugal." Excellent visual tool to help people understand, kudos!

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