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Saturday, May 24, 2008

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LJ

It is an interesting question. When does a Catholic become a de facto Protestant in their journey away from Catholic doctrine and authority?

Augustine II

The press know they can get away with this trash. My local paper, for instance, vomits anti-Catholic tripe virtually every day in many forms. For instance, today:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-brief24-2008may24,0,5132640.story

Tom

A common joke among German theologians:

Q: Why couldn't Hans Kung ever be pope?

A: Because he's infallible.

Brian Schuettler

The problem with Hans Kung

The problem with Hans Kung is that, like the rest of that part of the post-Christian world that has been reluctant to let go of its sentimental attachment to Christianity, he wants to change the meaning of Christianity to conform to his post-Christian commitments rather than to admit that his beliefs are no longer, in any traditionally recognizable sense of the term, Christian. In short, Kung wants to belong to the historical Christian community without accepting key historical Christian beliefs. This is amply clear, once again, from his recently published autobiography, My Struggle for Freedom: Memoirs [Amazon link], in which he replays his old lamentations about the Vatican’s “authoritarian repression” of his academic freedom to teach whatever he wants, even if the Church may consider it heretical, and its denial of his canonical right to present himself to the public as a Catholic theologian. He reminds me, in a way, of the members of the original British Humanist Association, all of them atheists, who used to gather in one of their homes to sing traditional Christian hymns for their sentimental value–a phenomenon not altogether different from the annual Christmas albums put out by entertainers not otherwise known for their piety.
————————-Philip Blosser

Forgettable ex-theologian Kung Quotes:

Scare tactics referencing Opus Dei. He says:

The next [papal] election will certainly be very decisive, and there is no doubt that especially all these Cardinals from the Opus Dei, who are favourable for this secret organisation which is an authoritarian, Spanish organisation which has a great influence and which was supported heavily already by Karol Wojtyla when he was Archbishop of Krakow. And the whole question will be: will now the Catholic church be dominated again by a clique of people who is in this authoritarian organisation which is, as a matter of fact, living in a mentality of, I would say, the counter-Reformation, of anti-Modernism, or will we have enough bishops who still remember the Second Vatican Council and who see especially the terrible situation in which our church is in, in the present moment?

What is even more remarkable is how Kung immediately goes on to characterize this “terrible situation in which our church is in, in the present moment”:

If you see for instance that the Church of Ireland — I know that a lot of bishops and priests in Australia too, come from this beautiful and most constructive Ireland — I mean constructive in a way that they constructed a great deal of churches, especially in the Anglo Saxon world, and I admire very greatly these people, I was often there. But it’s terrible to see what happens to a Catholic country like Ireland, that this country, who was practically sending priests, hundreds and thousands of priests all over the world, they are practically lost now. They had in 1990, they still had 300 ordinations a year. Last year they had eight ordinations. Eight! As a matter of fact, also in other European countries, and this will happen also to other parts of the world, I’m sure also in Australia, practically the celibate clergy is dying out. And we have already in our German speaking countries, more or less half of the parishes who have not anymore a pastor. We are losing the Sunday Eucharist, all because we do not want to have ordained married men, and why we don’t want to have ordained women.

Again, when asked his opinion of the present pontificate, Kung responded: (Note that Kung manages to malign John Paul and the Mother of God simultaneously)

I would agree that [John Paul II has] preached the gospel for the poor, he was for human rights in the world. But all this was in blatant contradiction with what he has done in his own church, because he repressed human rights in the church, he repressed the rights of theologians and he reintroduced the Inquisition, he offended very often women because of his Marian piety, exalting the Virgin Mary as an example, and repressing women in the church discipline.

Related reading lesson from Carl Olson to Kung: http://insightscoop.typepad.com/2004/2007/09/hans-kng-needs-.html

Gail

I really love the second Clerihew. Ha ha!

SDG

Ostling's 30-year-old observations about Kung are as devastating today, if not more so.

Augustine II

This little column relating a personal encounter with Kung further illustrates Kung's enormous ego:

http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2207&Itemid=48&limit=1&limitstart=2

Augustine II

Use this link instead:

http://tinyurl.com/4v8u43

Gabriel Austin

The comment about Fr. Kueng and the papcy is misquoted. Fr. Kueng could never become pope because he would have to give up being infallible.

r trew

The Church resists ecumensim according to Kung?
When Catholics, Baptists, evangelicals, Christians of every type meet together in the great service of the sanctity of human life, we enjoy a sad chuckle about this--we don;t TALK ecumenism--we DO it!

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