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Tuesday, September 11, 2007

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Ed Peters

Ok, pet peeve time: Fr. G writes "...leading newsmagazine even published a long article by Mother Teresa’s most severe and profane critic..."

Well, who the h*ll is he talking about? I hate this. New Yorkers who think everybody lives and dies by the NY press, so we all know who published every article and where.

Same me a couple of minutes, and just tell me who you're talking about, NY writers.

padraighh

Father G. is referring tothe diatribe by Hitchens in Newsweek (online?) at the underlined phrase 'in some cases' above.

Ed Peters

Thx. I figured it was Hitch, but man, why doesn't G just say so. Like it's some great act of discretion not to mention that poor blighter's name. Thx, padr=.

Carl Olson

Good point, Ed. The more specifics in such articles/posts, the better. I say that in a general, vague, and entirely unspecific way, of course.

Dan

I disagree. When I first read it I thought it was an effective rhetorical device. Had Fr. Groeschel named Hitchens by name Fr. Groeschel's reference to Hithchens as "profane" would have sounded like name-calling. The way Fr. Groeschel wrote it he was able to expose Hitchens for what he is without descending into the mud.

Carl Olson

I like mud. ;-) But a good point, Dan. Now I'm starting to be conflicted. Regardless, great post by Fr. Groeschel, who is one of my heroes.

Ed Peters

No, Dan. This is my point, when a man publishes his (vile) opinion in a major media outlet, it is inappropriate NOT to name him personally. Maybe, indeed, even it is condescending, as if he doesn't deserve express mention. This reticence to name names, even public names, is a misapplication of the virtue of "custody of the tongue". If CH had ranted aabout MT in a private conversation with me, I might not gone around saying "GUESS WHAT CH SAID ABOUT MT!!" But CH published his views widely. NOT to name him is a hollow exercise in delicacy.

Greg Lorriman

Carl, it's bad news for a clergyman to get involved in a slanging match, which is what would be risked if he named the guy. It may be appropriate to name the guy, but it's not clearly the case that it is innapropriate not to name him, and it is quite possibly inappropriate for a clergyman to name him.

Ed Peters

Well, ok, folks is gonna feel like folks is gonna feel on this one. I'd only point out, tho, that G did not just "mention" CH indirectly, he said at least half a dozen things about him: that [CH] is MT's "most severe and profane critic", that he "attempted to psychoanalyze Mother Teresa", that his actions were "both insulting and absurd", that "he never knew Mother", that he "never had the chance to observe her behavior or life", and that "he has no serious training in psychology".

If those things are NOT true, it is no defense to saing them that "I didn't use the guy's name". If they are true, then...but here I only repeat myself.

Carl Olson

Carl, it's bad news for a clergyman to get involved in a slanging match, which is what would be risked if he named the guy.

It doesn't seem the case at all that naming Hitchens would any way start a mud-slinging match. Stating that Mr. X said this or that is not a bad thing, especially if the goal is to clarify matters and defend the truth. We may well be overanalyzing the issue, but there is a difference between getting into verbal fistacuffs and calling a spade a spade. Having been around Father Groeschel on three or four occasions, I know that he has no problem calling spades what they are. As to why he didn't name Hitchens in his post, I have no idea, but I really doubt it was out of a concern for offending folks or appearing uncharitable.

Ken Hopper

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