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Friday, July 06, 2007

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Gail

I don't understand, what is new here? In the lay pastoral ministry program I attend, which has garnered some comment here, I was taught that Protestant "churches" are not actually churches, but "ecclesial communities," while each Catholic church is part of the universal Church. Protestant "churches" come and go, and when they're gone they're gone. Catholic churches also come and go, but when they go the Church remains. This post seems to imply that this is not common teaching, is that really so?

Tom

This will be a boon to theologians studying ecclesiology. My interest is piqued: will this document do for Cdl. Leveada's reputation what Dominus Iesus did for Ratzinger's when he released it? I sort of doubt that levada will get ratzinger's Rottweiler reputation.

My guess is that this will be interpreted as a NXVI document and not Levada's, even though Levada's prefect of the congregation responsible for it. Also interesting: DI, I believe, was commonly thought of as a Ratzinger document, not a JP II document. Closer observers of the papacy and the curia than I am can say what this means about public perception and media coverage of the two papacies and the two CDF heads. Will Leveada's reputation as a "moderate" surivive this?

Carl Olson

This post seems to imply that this is not common teaching, is that really so?

It's common if you're getting authentic Catholic teaching. But one reason that Dominus Iesus was written was because some Catholic theologians, especially since the Council, have either taught that Protestant "churches" are as much "church" as Catholic churches, or that it is arrogant and triumphalistic to say that Jesus founded the Catholic Church.

Rich Leonardi

... Catholic theologians, especially since the Council, have either taught that Protestant "churches" are as much "church" as Catholic churches, or that it is arrogant and triumphalistic to say that Jesus founded the Catholic Church.

It's also common for those involved in parish-based 'lay ministry,' including one director of a local RCIA program who is a graduate of Cincinnati's LPMP, to suggest that "Protestants don't need evangelization."

Mark Brumley

It's also common for those involved in parish-based 'lay ministry,' including one director of a local RCIA program who is a graduate of Cincinnati's LPMP, to suggest that "Protestants don't need evangelization."

Unfortunately, this sort of thing gets said and it is reflective of the thinking of many semi-educated Catholics in church work. What could this director have been thinking? If Catholics need evangelization, both initial and ongoing, why wouldn't Protestants? Duh.

Gail

"It's also common for those involved in parish-based 'lay ministry,' including one director of a local RCIA program who is a graduate of Cincinnati's LPMP, to suggest that "Protestants don't need evangelization.""

"Unfortunately, this sort of thing gets said and it is reflective of the thinking of many semi-educated Catholics in church work. What could this director have been thinking? If Catholics need evangelization, both initial and ongoing, why wouldn't Protestants? Duh."

According to many of the popular conversion stories I have read, Protestants wishing to convert have often been told by PRIESTS that they don't need to, because they're already Christian so what's the difference? My point is that anyone, lay pastoral minister or priest or parishioner, can say anything. What people are taught to begin with may have nothing to do with what they later come up with on their own or pick up from a book or another person.

My question was about what is officially taught about ecclesiology... what I was taught at the LPMP program in Cincinnati was perfectly orthodox, Rich, and I wanted to know who wasn't being taught it. I know from your previous comments that you aren't too thrilled with the program, but again my experience is that a wide variety of people go into it and if you meet some unorthodox ones, they were probably unorthodox when they started. I have not taken every course by any means, but I have taken a lot of them and I never been taught anything that is not orthodox.

Mark Brumley

Good point, Gail.

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