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Tuesday, February 06, 2007

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les

Our self-centred culture and apologists for aberrant sexual practice are myopic, seeing Christianity (specifically Catholic Christianity) as the last barrier to a guilt free conscience.
What is the end goal of gay activism? The same as what we all want. Social acceptance and legal acceptance. But underlying that is a deeper need, and that is to be accepted by God. Ultimately the goal is no different than anyone mired in any kind of sin of the flesh. We want God to accept and excuse the sin without having to give it up. Is not a "firm purpose of amendment" one of the toughest components of a good confession?
Deep down, there is a realization that God will never approve homosexual behaviour, but if they can get the Church to approve it, or at least publically silence the Church's disapproval, that is the next best thing.
What seems to be forgotten is that it is not just a question of the Jewish Law (Old Covenant) or the Christian Morality (New Covemant) but it is part of the Natural Law, the hard-wired part that comes directly from God through creation and which leads us to seek out God in the first place.
St. Paul himself refers to this law in the letter to the Romans, second chapter, verse fourteen;
"For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law."

Brian John Schuettler

This is just one more example of the homosexual agenda being put forward by use of the Big Lie. The Guardian commentary is insultingly ludicrous because it is pure fiction. The tradegy is that there will be many people who read it as not only fact but as secular dogma and say to themselves "I didn't know that!" Shades of TDC.

Rick

Brian, it is ironic that people would believe a newspaper article or a book that claims the da Vinci had some secret information that the rest of Christian history never knew about.

I wonder if a book appeared called the Cartesian Code, that claimed Descartes found a codex containing the teachings of Jesus and Paul when they were trained in relativism by the Sophists in Athens, and these teachings were suppressed by the evil apostle Peter in his vainglory as the first pope, would people be more likely to believe this scenario over the reality of sin?

Brian John Schuettler

Rick,
I think that you just gave some Dan Brown wannabe a plot to work on!...with a whole lot more "I didn't know that!" I lie therefore I prosper-Pseudo Descartes

Rick

Love the "I lie therefore I prosper-Pseudo Descartes",and since Descartes and his Rationalism raised humanity to the level of an angel/minor deity, "Even if I am mistaken, I am." Funny, the relativism of the Guardian reduces the one who claimed to be the great "I AM" to an itinerant value-less values' preacher. In doing this, it assumes the minor deity of Descartes' "I am" and seeks to impose its gospel of relativism on humanity.

Wow, the sin of Genesis reinvents itself in ever new ways, the more humanity tries to rationalize/raise itself to be as God, the more we become an irrational beasts who rationalizes the abberant.

Celestial SeraphiMan

I have a confession to make. I don't know whether or not Natural Law consists of "racial purity" or, if not, how one can be absolutely sure that it doesn't. Would someone please let me know how race fits into Natural Law? Just because the people who claim that Nature demands racial purity are now on the fringe doesn't mean that we should ignore them. Don't they give ammunition to leftists? I'm sorry if I'm rambling. I'm simply a young man seeking truth and goodness.

Cristina A. Montes

To Celestial SeraphiMan: Attempts to answer your questions in a nutshell:

"Natural law" is not the same as the "natural selection" theory of Darwin. The latter is what's usually invoked to justify racial purity.

"Natural law" refers to the moral law as it can be known by reason. "Moral law", in turn, refers to that part of the "eternal law" which governs rational creatures. "Eternal law" is the plan emanating from divine wisdome which ordains things to their end. (Somebody please correct my definitions if they're wrong!)

I personally prefer to use the term "natural-moral law" to emphasize that it applies to rational creatures, who reach their end freely, as opposed to irrational creatures, who reach their end necessarily (meaning, for example, a stone can't help but follow the laws governing it but a human being can decide not to follow the law governing it.)

So, given these explanations, the natural law we're talking about can't apply to race because the natural law we are talking about here governs free actions.

Rick

The Natural Law is the exact opposite of any doctrine of racial purity, rather arguing for the sacredness and dignity of every person. The Natural Law is a reflection God's Eternal Law. The eternal law is “nothing other than the plan of divine wisdom as directing all acts and movements” (Thomas Aquinas ST II-I q. 93a. As there is a cosmic order and harmony found in the universe and nature, there a parallel harmony found in human nature when it follows the divine law. This order has been understood from the time of the Presocratics and is found in Judeo-Christian tradition. The Eternal Law has 4 properties: 1) First Law (starting point for all law), 2) It is the foundation of all law, 3) It is intrinsic-(ordered interiorly in humans by means of God’s providence,4) It is universal (can be known by all). The Natural Law is “nothing other than the rational creature’s participation in the eternal law”. (Thomas Aquinas ST II-I q. 91 a.2) It is an eternal law written on the hearts of every human being, emphasizes the spiritual aspect of a person. It is different than the laws of nature and helps one surpass the laws of nature (empirical) and animal realm (instinct).

Since humans are free, rational and unique, we possess a nature that has those capacities. The physicist Peter Hodgson states that not following the Natural Law and the moral order is like not following the laws of nature in the physical order. Human nature seeks harmony and order as bodily harmony brings physical health so disharmony brings sickness and death. Analogously, spiritual harmony brings spiritual health (sanity), and evil acts contrary to the NL bring disharmony, psychological abnormalities and inner disorder. The Natural Law is self-evident as revealed in Scripture (Rom 1:19-20), for example everyone knows (or should know) murder, theft, homosexuality and adultery are wrong. From these we can draw 3 conclusions about the Natural Law: 1) It is immutable (cannot be changed), 2) it is universal (applies to everyone/everywhere in all times), 3) to act against it is to oppose your own happiness and freedom (damages human nature at level of the soul and psyche because contrary to human nature). (Source: Fernandez, Our Moral Life in Christ)

Martin Luther King’s Letter from a Birmingham Jail, the Declaration of Independence and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights all contain a Natural Law philosophy within their writings. Each affirms the dignity of every human being based on a common conception of human nature and regardless of race, creed or color.

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