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Saturday, February 25, 2006


Um... maybe the Protestant Revolt? Just a wild guess.

But unlike the "reformers," the current crop -- on the right and the left -- insist on maintaining some type of connection, however flimsy, with the Catholic Church. I don't believe the "reformers" used terms such as "Independent Catholics" or "New Catholics" -- but I would appreciate being corrected those with more historical knowledge.

Someone should advise Kautzer that she is not talking about "nontraditional Catholics" -- she's talking about "non-Catholics," period. But then I guess the book wouldn't (yawn) sell.

Carl Olson

They're saying that being a Catholic is bigger than the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Although I don't have a quote immediately at hand, this was certainly the mentality of many of the Protestant reformers. For some interesting remarks related to this issue, made from a "Reformational" perspective, see this link:

Or, see this Lutheran sermon, given on "Reformation Day" last year:

It states:

"In order to be truly Catholic, Martin Luther had to get rid of some of the most important doctrines and practices of the Pope and the Roman Church. And we modern Lutherans are in very much the same situation. Being Catholic means that we have less and less in common with the Pope of Rome of the Roman Church, because the Roman Church has less and less in common with Jesus and the Apostles."

So while the issues change a bit, some issues (authority) remain the same, as does the desire to be "truly catholic" without being really Catholic.

Brian Michael Page

Would St. Joan of Arc in Minneapolis qualify as a Vatican-Free Catholic?



Catholic congregations that reject Vatican teachings on issues such as priestly celibacy, women's ordination, divorce and papal infallibility

What happened to contraception?



"Pudgy expressive hands"?

Mark Brumley

Hmm. And here I thought "Vatican-free Catholics" were Catholics who got to go to the Vatican for free. You learn something every day.

Fr. Stephanos Pedrano, O.S.B.

Since the one who sits apostolically in the Vatican has heavenly authority to bind and loose, one could use "Vatican-free" to describe someone whom the apostolic Vatican-sitter has loosed on earth so as to be loose in heaven.

Paul Hargadon

John 15: 4-6 (edited for political correctness)
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine, you are the branches. The person who abides in me, and I in in that person, that person bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If a person does not abide in me, that person is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned.

Thank you, Carl, for those very interesting links to "reformist" thought. I have never studied the Protestant reformation so was not aware of the close similarities.

BMP -- St. Joan's qualfies in spades - what an outrage. Let's have it included in the book (Archbishop Flynn will never notice). It's one group that should be sawed off, never mind break away.

Lourdes del Calvo

whatever it is that you e-mail to other Roman Catholics, I would like to be part of it, too. Thank you and God Bless you and us all.

Lourdes del Calvo

Oh, now I get it...I sent my first reply to you w/o first reading the articles and replies to you. All I can say is that it is not easy to be a good practicesing Roman Catholic, but it is very easy to be a Cafeteria Chatholic. Obedience is very important and we have to obey the Magesteriam for our Holy Father is guided by the Holy Spirit...otherwise we could not be here over 2,000 years, oh, yes there has been mistakes and will be more...look around beginning w/our priests...and the fallen away Roman Catholics...Pray, pray a lot, the Word of God, the Teaching of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Sacraments, mainly the Holy Eucharist the Real Presence Body and Blood,Soul and Divinity of our Lord. And the Cathecesim of our true Church founded by Jesus and Guided by the Holy Spirit.

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