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David

Gerald O'Collins is a well balanced Catholic, very even handed and accessible.

Catholicism: An Introduction - http://www.amazon.com/Catholicism-A-Very-Short-Introduction/dp/019954591X/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2

Catholicism: The Study Of Catholic Christianity - http://www.amazon.com/Catholicism-The-Story-Catholic-Christianity/dp/019925995X/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_12

Jesus Our Redeemer: A Christian Approach to Salvation -http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Our-Redeemer-Christian-Salvation/dp/019920313X/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

Salvation for All: God's Other Peoples - http://www.amazon.com/Salvation-All-Gods-Other-Peoples/dp/0199238898/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_6

Scott

Carl, I completely understand why you thoughtfully avoided some of the Catholic Vs. Protestant options BUT I might suggest as a former Evangelical that we like to hear it straight and confidentally! :) These books do that and Evangelicals should read these type of books to give a true perspective of why we as Catholics enthusiastically believe what we do. So in that spirit, I would strongly recomend the following:

-Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic by David Curie
-Catholicism and Fundamentalism by Karl Keating
-anything by Scott Hahn, including Rome Sweet Home
-Surprised by the Truth by Patrick Madrid
-Triumph by HW Crocker III

Joe


If we are talking *evangelical* college students, I think they have to read Bouyer's "Spirit and Forms" before they can even have ears that hear the terms as we mean them.

Also von Hilderbrand's Transformation.

Carl E. Olson

David: Agreed on Fr. O'Collins; I've profited from several of his books.

Scott: The books I list certainly present Catholicism straight and confidently (Sheed, of course, addressed Protestantism throughout his prolific life). Now it might well be that many or most of these students have a bias or animosity toward Catholicism (or what they think is Catholicism). But the professor is quite pro-Catholic, and I am fairly certain he doesn't allow the usual Chick-ian stupidities to gain traction (I know he has read the CCC cover to cover more than once). So rather than begin with an apologetic text, why not simply begin with works that straight up say, "Here is what the Catholic Church teaches. What sayest thou?" And then, if there are questions or arguments, move on to the apologetic texts? Of the books you mention, I would be most inclined to Currie's work, because of the tone and his fairly involved theological explanations. Keating's book is excellent for a particular type of discussion/argument, but tends to turn off Protestants who are simply curious, not antagonistic. If I had to put it another way, it is more confident to simply say, "This is what I believe" then to begin with an argumentative or defensive stance.

Joe: Bouyer is great for both Catholics and Evangelicals, of course, but I was going for works that were a bit more Big Picture and systematic in character. But The Spirit and Forms of Protestantism is a must read for, well, nearly anyone interested in what the Protestant revolt was really about.

Bruce Charles Meyer

I'll AMEN Scott's sentiment. A Calvinist having his coffee asks for it black, unsweetened and strong, just like his theology.
I think that probably Catholic Biblical Apologetics by Dr. Robert J. Schihl and Paul D. Flanagan, available free online, would be a good introduction for those who are used to studying the Bible.

Carl E. Olson

Bruce: I would just note that the books I listed have just as much, or much more really, strong theology than any of the fine books listed by Scott. Perhaps there is an assumption that theology is not "strong" and stout and straight unless it is presented in an apologetic format?

For the record, I read almost all of the books listed above (by myself and others) on my way to entering the Church in 1997. And all were beneficial in various ways. And I should note (at risk of appearing self-serving) that I wrote a chapter for the third volume of the Surprised by Truth books...

Scott

To be clear, I like the books you recommended (Most especially Sheed). And I am probably underestimating the intellectual fairness and curiosity of your Professor friend. In fact, several of the books I recommended are less intellectual in a certain sense but met where I was (and many of my friends were intellectually during my college years). It was those types of books (from a Protestant perspective) that led me out of Catholicism in college and those types of books (from a Catholic perspective) that ultimately led me back. It was after I returned that I then went a step deeper into the Sheed’s of the world.

BUT……any intellectual curiosity and honesty of our Protestant friends to actually want to understand Catholicism from the Catholic perspective versus from a source that may not be as clear or honest is quite refreshing and speaks highly of them!

Thanks!

Mark Pilon

Carl,

Did you also suggest that he refrain from any further recommendations of McBrien?

Mark

Carl E. Olson

Mark: My exact words about McBrien were: "McBrien, as you know, is problematic; actually, he’s horrible in a lot of cases."

Joe


Actually, the small series of Canterbury paperbacks Sheed & Ward put out in its heyday, taken as a whole, make for a great overview. Well-written, not too long, by a variety of authors. They resemble the Jon. Edwards paperback set now issued by Moody Press, and would be an easy sell if re-issued in like format.

On McBrien, as a Protestant growing up, I saw his book in almost every Catholic friend's home.... I don't think there is a comparable overview influence wise. Maybe Barron's will fill that niche.

Sharon

The first book I read when I returned to the practise of my Faith was Apologetics and Catholic Doctrine by Abp Michael Sheehan, edited by Fr Peter Joseph.

http://www.amazon.com/Apologetics-Catholic-Doctrine-Michael-Sheehan/dp/1901157148

The book which helped my son return to the Church was Theology for Beginners by Frank Sheed
http://www.amazon.com/Theology-Beginners-F-J-Sheed/dp/0892831243/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1333409686&sr=1-1

Peter l

Right,that's it.You guys have shamed me into getting myself better read on my own faith.I bought my first Bible a short time ago,Catholic version of course.I am nearly finished the Book Of Numbers and to say i find it hard going is an understatement.The second book that Sharon mentions seems appealing to me,Theology For Beginners.

Thanks to everyone for the all links,jumping straight into the Bible,especially the Old Testament is not the right thing for me.I need to be cushioned into theology to better comprehend the Bible.

Carl E. Olson

Joe: The Canterbury books are indeed excellent; I have several of them.

Sharon: The Sheehan series are very good; I think they have been re-published recently.

Peter: You might want to get a copy of Peter Kreeft's helpful book, You Can Understand The Bible: A Practical and Illuminating Guide to Each Book in The Bible. You can read an excerpt from it on Ignatius Insight. Also see Fr. Kenneth Baker's book, Inside the Bible.

Wiliam Peaden

I think you've forgotten Henri de Lubac's Catholicism. Also, though I haven't read this yet it looks exceedingly good, a new book: A certain faith : analogy of being and the affirmation of belief / Barry R. Pearlman. This is an academic theology book going from the preamble to the certainity of the faith.

Peter l

Thanks Carl.The Old Testament is giving me more questions than answers.I see both books you have suggested is available on Amazon UK,which i have an account for.They are reasonably priced also.These should be a good starting point for me.

A little tip for anyone who may be thinking of purchasing their first Bible or seeking to replace one is to make sure the print is not too small,i wear glasses and still find the print on mine a strain on my eyes.

Agnieszka

Peter:
Forget Amazon, you are on Ignatius Press blog, get the books from them instead!

Peter L

Do not worry Agnieszka,i am sure the books i purchase from Amazon UK are from the Ignatius Press.In fact they are,i see no point sending books on a 4 or 5 thousand mile trip to me here in the emerald isle again,they have already been shipped to the UK.I get where you are coming from though.God bless.

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