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Howard

So what's supposed to be historic here? As you say, this has all be done before. It's losing its novelty; the sadness remains, but now it's also boring.

Maybe she could be the first woman to be "ordained" while skydiving? I'm sure the thrill of endangering her immortal soul would be all the greater if her mortal body were rushing toward the ground at terminal velocity.

fr. richard

Howard, you made me laugh. This would also afford her the opportunity to defy not only the Church, but gravity as well.

Charles E Flynn

The Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests [sic] has a really bad logo:

The Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests

Daniel Fink

Apostolic succession is also a significant factor in their "ordination" according to their website, in order that they trace back to, among others, that progressive-minded Apostle Paul.

Gail Finke

Gary Macy was one of the people in the CBS Sunday Morning hit piece on the Church that aired in December, in case anyone's keeping track.

Ed Peters

CO's line should be appreciated: "Judy Beaumont plans to take a historic step Saturday, one that will jeopardize her immortal soul."

These people gives no evidence of being insane, or of acting under the influence, or of being coerced. They seem to be making sufficiently free choices. That means, in turn, that such deeds, going unrepented of, endanger the souls of those so involved.

It's really terrifying prospect.

Gail Finke

Ed: Do you really think so? I think some of them are deluded. Of course, they may have deluded themselves. But it's as if they have gone so far off the path that they suddenly can't look normal things and see them as normal anymore. Not insane, exactly. How culpable are they? That's the question. I don't know that we can tell, we just have to be careful to stay off that path ourselves!

Carl E. Olson

Ed: I would just note that that line is actually the lede on the news story. I find it, ultimately, very sad and tragic, as these folks are certainly placing themselves in serious spiritual danger. I liken their faulty and warped perspective to that of former-Catholics-turned-Fundamentalists who sincerely and seriously denounce the Catholic Church as "apostate", "false", and even "Satanic". Clearly, neither group ever understood true Catholicism. Why? I'm sure the reasons vary widely, from rotten catechesis to rebellion to whatever. But at least the Fundamentalist had the integrity to leave the Catholic Church. And that complete of integrity, in the end, is what really bothers me about these women (and allies) demanding ordination.

Ed Peters

Gail, do I really think what? That "These people gives no evidence of being insane, or of acting under the influence, or of being coerced. They seem to be making sufficiently free choices. That means, in turn, that such deeds, going unrepented of, endanger the souls of those so involved. It's really terrifying prospect."

Of course I do.

I think I'm as deft at coming up with mitigating circumstances for clients as any good lawyer, but it seems never to occur to many folks that before they can mitigate, they have be circumstances. Not pious fictions or hopeful wishes. Bottom line, either people are capable of committing grave sin, or they are not. Best, edp.

Joe

Robbins" "...and I think that... "

It's now a given that this phrase will be followed by some thought most in keeping with the tenor and intensity of an earnest youth group talk.

As for endangering her immortal soul, does *anyone* seriously think that anyone in the reigning hierarchy would even remotely suggest such? Again, equivalent to the high school daughter's shriek, "Why are you doing this to me? Why do you HATE me!"

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