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Wednesday, June 15, 2011

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Ambrose

One can say with absolute certainty that the likes of Bishop Morris and Fr McBrien belong to a dying generation with no offspring (thanks be to God) and will not be around within 25 years. They will need to be contented with the fact they are nothing more than relics from the 1960's and 70's who haven't got over that exceptionally immature attitude of "it's all about me".

Morris and McBrien can continue to bash their heads against the Rock of Peter, but we all know what will break first.

Dave

My letter to the Editor...Aussie Website about the "Temple Police" who were responsible for Morris' ouster...

I'€™ve read several stories about this situation picked up by various US sources
and I'€™m struck by the characterization of how it is the "€œfaithful"€ who are
upset by Morris'€™ removal, and those rigid, hard hearted, intransigent
conservatives who opposed him. A number of years ago, Josef Pieper wrote a
brilliant book entitled Abuse of Language, Abuse of Power. The reporting of this
story illustrates his premise as well as anything I'™ve ever seen.

Five years of investigation with multiple requests to Morris that his public
statements demonstrate his fidelity to Church teachings is hardly a secret meeting
in the dead of night before the Passover.

In closing, I'€™m sure the Anglicans in Australia are in decline as they are here in the states. They need the help that can only come from Anglicans in the Catholic Church who are confused about their identity; please join them and encourage each other as you all go forth in your progressive, visionary, and compassionate, inclusiveness.

God Bless You

Ed Peters

I have always thought that 1983 CIC 749.3 (olim 1917 CIC 1323.3, itself but thinly attested in decretal law) had a mildly tautological air about it, but that does not cause much of a problem for those who read it, as they should, in light of sound tradition, nor does the norm provide cover for McBrien's latest assertion. I see little purpose to be served, though, by trying to correct him. He seems quite impervious to disagreement.

Dale Price

The following is going to be uncharitable, but I have grown tired of the tenured professor's schtick.

Perhaps he's engaging in person, but in print McBrien is an arrogant, tedious, repetitive buffoon. One with an almost desperate need to validate himself against his critics, whom he is at ad nauseum pains to remind us "ha[ve] no formal education in theology, Scripture, liturgy, or canon law." To which the proper response is "genetic fallacy/appeal to authority much?" With every column where he flashes his CTSA Members Only card, he descends further into self-parody. Maybe it's just me, but he's about half a beat away from making a playa-hatin' reference.

Let's not beat around the bush: for all of his credentials, he has little if anything to show in the way of original achievements.

If you look at his record, he's best known as (1) the writer of a verbose theology textbook and (2) the editor of an encyclopedia. Oh, and he writes an increasingly-unread newspaper column where he gets to needle people who disagree with him. That's it. Even his heterodoxy is unoriginal and cribbed from others. Say what you will about Hans Kung, but he has genuine intellectual laurels to rest upon.

But, yeah, unlike me the tenured prof jumped through the hoops and barked like a circus seal to get his sheepskin fish. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Joe Cupertino

As far as I know, some Galilean hicks named Peter, James, and John had no formal education in theology, Scripture, liturgy, or canon law. I don't recall any of the other Apostles - besides St. Paul - having any such credentials either.

McBrien is a pharisee.

"Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites; because you are like to whited sepulchres, which outwardly appear to men beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones, and of all filthiness."

-Mt. 23:27

SpeedOfThought

Fr. McBrien is borrowing a classic trick from Lewis Carroll.

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis makes an infallible statement about the lack of authority to ordain women. But he can then claim that Ordinatio Sacerdotalis itself was not an infallible teaching. So the statement in it which claimed infallibility was itself not made infallibly.

To rectify this the CDF statement affirms the infallibility. But McBrien can then say that the CDF document itself is not infallible.

This can go on ad nauseam. It's based on an osbscure Lewis Carroll piece so it's been around a while.

It also is the absolute last resort of the incorrigibly incorrigible.

Matthew A. Siekierski

I think Fr. McBrien may be arguing that since some people don't accept the teaching as being clearly infallible, it must not be infallible.

But the same argument could be made about any universal teaching that was clarified in order to oppose heresy. Heretics frequently didn't (and still don't) accept correction.

If he truly is saying that Blessed John Paul II didn't declare and define things in this case, then he's being willfully blind.

Joe

For years I saw McBrien's thick, ornately - embossed Catholicism in the homes of all my Catholic friends. It was the accessible go-to reference they had been sent to by their priest or parish nun. Whenever I got excited by YoungLife or CS Lewis, they would retreat to some verbose, opaque, paralyzing quote from it to nullify the idea of any sort of 'conservative' (i.e. supernatural) faith. It seemed like McBrien was the doorstop/book that when cracked made one feel religious enough as long as you were nodding to social justice and 'God is love.' [In those days there was no CCC, so maybe it is different now]. Anyway, most of those friends stopped practicing Catholicism by the time I took it seriously. While you can't alway connect dots, in this case i am inclined to... The more I read of the NCR, the more I think it is essentially a pawn of no good.

Dr John James

What I find bizarre about this debate is why people, who appear to repudiate every tenet of the Catholic Faith,remain in the Church, but, worse, insist that they're correct, and the Church is wrong.
I have Protestant colleagues who'll give me a tongue lashing about the doctrine of the Real Presence,the Sacrifical nature of the Mass, and the ministerial priesthood, but they at least know to what it is that the Catholic Faith holds, but here, you have well educated Catholics insisting that Catholic doctrine is something else again, ironically, often something more in keeping with my Protestant friends tenets.
As John Lennon sang "Strange days indeed!"

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