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Monday, March 07, 2011

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Dan

So true, and so depressing.

Terentia

As one who lives and worships in the Saginaw diocese, I have witnessed this personally. One funny example (among many tragic or infuriating ones): People I know, extreme Spirit of Vatican II types, continuously express their hatred of all things Latin. One man, a former altar boy for 8 years, insisted that he never knew anything of what was happening at Mass because Latin is unknowable. Others who were present agreed. You should have seen their faces when I told them that Dr Suess books, Harry Potter and even Walter the Farting Dog are all available in Latin at the local Barnes and Noble. They were just unable to process the idea that not everyone despises all that came before 1970 the way they do.

Ed Peters

Jim Hitchcock's crucial role in sustaining, chiefly by his calm and precise writings, young scholars in that darkest of post-conciliar decades (the 1970s) will not be fully appreciated until General Judgment. It was Hitchcock, Chesterton (yes, I know, JH doesn't really like GKC!) and Dawson who assured us that, No, we weren't the ones who were crazy. So just calm down, and get about your studies.

Ed Peters

Gee, there was an obvious fourth on that list, James Schall.

Rich Leonardi

Ed: Don't forget Fr. William Most. The folks at Catholic Culture have preserved much of his work here

Also, you can read transcripts of a course James Hitchcock taught on the history of Vatican II here.

LJ

The vicious circle formed, however, because if a crisis of belief provokes a crisis of worship, it is also true that a crisis of worship provokes further crises of belief.

A vicious circle indeed.

As a late-comer to the fray I have sometimes wondered at the intensity of the passion some have had for the (now called) extraordinary form of the liturgy, and likewise the passion others have had for the campfire mass that still lingers in some parishes.

This describes the root of it very well, and what is at stake. Nothing short of the faith, itself, of many.

...the destruction of ritual deprives men of the means by which to “articulate the depth of past time”, so that it becomes psychologically necessary once again to return to the beginning to start over again.

This is an ongoing phenomena in the Protestant Evangelical realm. Every so often someone decides to go back to the "church of Acts" and start a congregation based on what they believe that to be. And, quite often, it is built simply on the strength of a personality and will change if that personality changes his/her mind. And where there is very little liturgy left to begin with, these changes and re-starts can happen with amazing rapidity. (And it is the foundation of that denominational statistic, almost a spinning meter by now, that Catholic apologists like to use)

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