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Thursday, April 29, 2010

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Raymond

I see no reason for an American Catholic to read or purchase the NY Times any longer. Ochs-Sultzbergers will understand this. Spread the word. Same should go for the Times owned Boston Globe.

ROB

Woodward remarks the obvious but they are remarks that need saying.

T. Shaw

Evidently, muhammedans possess effective protocols for "addressing" similar "issues."

Alas, . . .

Ed Peters

If it's obvious to Woodward, how can it not be obvious to the NYT?

LJ

What is unstated but quite obvious in America is that any successful attack on Benedict is perceived as a success against the institution of the papacy, in particular the charism of infallibility in faith and morals.

For dissenters, who already challenge Catholic dogma, this is very important. Failing theological success they think that this kind of momentum of scandal can give them cover in their efforts to undermine and dismantle the Catholic Church. Recently Benedict has been the obvious counterpoint and enemy of the "spirit of Vatican II", which was why we heard such expressions as "God's Rottweiler" and the "panzer Pope", etc. at the time he was elected.

Benedict has enemies within the Church as well as without and those in the Times, whatever their personal prejudices, are in some sense the secular tools of the rebels within. They are not seeking the truth, only to bring down Benedict, by whatever means possible. At the Times and organizations of their ilk, an allegiance to the truth and accuracy is a distant memory anyway.

joe

Because Woodward is a believer. You don't know you don't know until you know.

Dan

"Some readers say The Times is anti-Catholic. They wonder why it isn’t giving equal effort to sex abuse in the public schools, or in other religions."

Notice that Hoyt leaves this charge unanswered. He has no answer because the charge is true. Philip Jenkins has an excellent book, "The New Anti-Catholicism," that demonstrates how the anti-Catholicism of the left since the 1960s is a modern expression of the same sort of American anti-Catholicism that dates back to the first half of the nineteenth century.

Pier

I am currently following a discussion on another forum, begun by a well-known horror fic writer, who returned to the Church a few years ago, but unfortunately brought her liberal ideas with her - one of which is legalizing gay marriage (she has a gay son, who she said has "forgiven her" for returning to Catholicism), and another - taxing the Church...

The title of the thread is a question asking if the Pope should resign if he's found guilty of covering up child abuse. And lucky for us, it's LOADED with links to NYT's articles...

Christ have mercy.

Brian J. Schuettler

Ann Rice is reprsentative of a recent celebrity group of re-verts and converts including people like Tony Blair who seem to have crossed the Tiber but stopped in the middle, created an self congratulatory personal island and then proceeded to set up a "catholic cafeteria" under their own copyright. I don't question their motivation as much as their formation.

Christopher Lake

Pier, recently, I've been a part of the discussion to which you refer, and it hasn't been easy. How people will not admit that The New York Times and Der Spiegel have an anti-Catholic bias, I will never understand...

Der Spiegel has actually published at least one piece by Hans Kung, which (predictably) contains vitriolic criticism of John Paul II, for supposedly turning back the clock on Vatican II... what a tired line.

Brian

Actually, contemporary anti-Catholicism has major differences from past anti-Catholicism. The Know-nothings had a motivation of preserving "one hundred percent pure Americanism" by driving out other cultural and ethnic influences. Today's anti-Catholic polemics are about a mistaken notion that the Church attacks civil and human rights. If I am oversimplifying though, feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

Brian

P.S. Honestly, what are the facts in the case of Munich? How is the New York Times wrong?

Brian

P.P.S.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1001821.htm

Brian J. Schuettler

"Der Spiegel has actually published at least one piece by Hans Kung, which (predictably) contains vitriolic criticism of John Paul II, for supposedly turning back the clock on Vatican II... what a tired line."

In fairness to Der Spiegel, it has also published articles on world wide persecution of the Catholic Church. I have been reading it for years and I would not call it anti-Catholic.It is a German language publication, of course, and conflicted about heretics, which also helps explain the article by Kung. Even Kung has the right to express himself outside of the Church, you know, and I am told that certain Lutherans are very fond of him.:)

Oh, oh...I think Carl's famous tendency toward charity is rubbing off on me!

Brian J. Schuettler

"Actually, contemporary anti-Catholicism has major differences from past anti-Catholicism. The Know-nothings had a motivation of preserving "one hundred percent pure Americanism" by driving out other cultural and ethnic influences."

You are so right, Brian.

"Today's anti-Catholic polemics are about a mistaken notion that the Church attacks civil and human rights."

I think the current anti-Catholicism is grounded in the Church's defense of civil and human rights, i.e. the dignity of the rights of the unborn, traditional marriage and freedom of expression in the public square. The Church is the primary roadblock to the secular agenda of controlling the critical thinking and actions of our citizens.

Brian J. Schuettler

An additional observation based on Brian's comment:

The previous anti-Catholicism as represented by the Know-Nothings was, as Brian pointed out, more of an indigenous tribal reaction,if you will, to potential dilution of "cultural purity". The current resistance is centered around an intellectual elite who dominate our political, financial, media and educational structure. I don't think that this is an organized conspiracy, per se, but rather a confluence of interests based on greed,power and the general deterioration of the moral fabric of the Republic over the past half century. Our unfortunate, in my opinion, military global over-reach has simultaneously bankrupted the country in a fulfillment of Eisenhower's famous warning about the growth of a parasitic military-industrial complex. The Church, as I opined previously, is the manifestation of all that is inherently true and eternal and therefore in opposition and contradiction to the current leaders of the culture of death.

Pier

Christopher Lake -

I remember you. As a matter of fact, you're one of my "Interesting People". You must know Theresa as well...

And you're right, it isn't easy. I post with a different name over there - I'm not the nun, I'm the OTHER one with all the "no" votes...LOL!

Please stop by again whenever you get the chance. It does sometimes seem like one is casting the pearls of their time before the swine of indifference, but every once in a while, hope elbows her way in. And there's a wonderful bunch of posters who contribute to the different discussions, so thankfully I'm learning, too.

God bless you.

Christopher Lake

Brian J. Schuettler,

I can understand Der Spiegel printing a variety of widely differing *theological* viewpoints. After all, it isn't a Catholic newspaper and isn't pretending to be one. However, when it comes to reporting of the facts of the sex abuse cases, we may have to agree to disagree on whether DS is anti-Catholic or not. Just in this time, alone, of the latest bout of sex abuse cases in the Church, Der Spiegel has printed articles (not *editorials*, in which opinion is expected, but actual, would-be *articles*) with titles such as "Helpless in the Vatican: Benedict's Failed Papacy."

Not exactly objective reporting... See the evidence here: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,687374,00.html

Christopher Lake

Pier,

I'm pleased and humbled to be one of your "Interesting People" on Amazon! :-) I am actually planning to start writing more "Customer Reviews" of books and such soon there, and of course, those reviews will my reflect my orthodox convictions. It should be interesting!

Theresa has been a great encouragement to me in the conversation with Anne. I don't know Theresa personally, but she is a fantastic Catholic woman, from the evidence that I have seen of her comments.

Hmmm... I'm having trouble placing who you are in the conversation! No worries-- if the theologically liberal "progressive Catholics" are giving you unhelpful votes, I don't need to know your name to say, "Thank you for standing for Truth!"

Brian J. Schuettler

Yes,Chistopher, that certainly isn't characteristic of their overall work. Shame on them. That tone in a title is more in keeping with the National Inquirer.

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