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Sunday, May 17, 2009

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T. Shaw

I am finally (I'm pretty slow) beginning to realize that whenever these dissenting idiots sit down and outline their diabtribes the major headings in the outline are:

I. Intro

II. Ad Hominem

III. Your Mama

IV. Conclusion

Because they have nothing.

Joe

Gibson encapsulate the riddle of American Catholicism at the higher levels. He is brilliant it seems, and understands the theology... but then he must not, since his applications are inside out/upside down backwards and wrong. As an example, read his "Rule of Benedict XVI." The book is thrilling where it provodes the best available explanations of Benedict's theology from various vantage points. It easily bests Nichol's book in doing the reductionisms for the layman. And then Goibson excoriates both the man and the theology he describes so well. I don't get it.. Except to say that perhaps there is a filter or predisposition in our current culture that makes confusing the Gospel for the the Gospel of Social Action almost impossible to avoid. Back in the era of Dorothy Day the two were distinguishable. But now... so much confusion.

Joe

And does this not really say it all:

"... the concern so many "activist" ("active," actually) Catholics ... "

Really good piece.

Daniel G. Fink

When all is said and done, I'm afraid individuals who do not object to President Obama being honored by Notre Dame could not possibly have the same degree of abhorrence, however unconsciously buried deep within their being, for the direct and intentional destruction of human life within the womb, as those who oppose the decision of Notre Dame.

LJ

"I have never understood why the Roman Catholic church required vows of celibacy of its nuns and priests." And then, to her credit, she goes on to prove this statement to be completely true and accurate.

Well said. I am amazed at the numbers of non-Catholics that are offering their advice on the celibacy issue. Thinking back to before I was Catholic I don't recall thinking that it was my place to tell Catholics, or anyone else how to run their Church. But perhaps that is just me. I suppose we should thank them for their input, and perhaps the Pope will take it under advisement.

This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth". This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity. Lumen Gentium 8

It goes to show that all of Christianity exists in relation to the Catholic Church. The longer I am Catholic the more I see evidence of this. Even those whose raison d'etre is anti-Catholicism. In fact more so. Perhaps this is the reason for the great concern over disciplines of the Church such as celibate clergy.

I take it from the last line of the article that Gibson is a baptized Catholic. So much the worse in that he missed the same point as those who swing about with the "judge not, lest ye be judged" cudgel. (What's up Hannity) Love and forgiveness are the heart of the Church's inclusivity but forgiveness is only just available and not realized until it is appropriated through the door of repentance.

The Notre Dame issue doesn't threaten unity, because in the citation above from Lumen Gentium and in other places, as well as the councils from which we got the Nicene Creed, the unity has always been in doctrine and fidelity to the Bishop of Rome. The Church hasn't moved (isn't that the complaint?) so guess who did?

The accusation against the objectors to Obama's receipt of an honorary degree (if not his invitation as commencment speaker) of playing politics is funny. Doesn't Gibson spend time proving that the American Church is shrinking in numbers, and if that isn't a political calculation, what is? The "big tent" notion is best left to the GOP to figure out. The Catholic tent includes the entire world's people, and her doctrine and teaching are the same for everyone. And they are free to walk away anywhere in the world as well. Our concern is making certain they know what it is they are leaving.

Craig

God bless the 70 plus bishops who spoke out--now the whole lot of them need to step back and say, "how did we get here?" The answer lies within the episcopate itself--in their zeal to be collegial, to be inclusive, too many of them forgot or, worse, ran from what it means to be a true father--which includes correction! Remember Land O' Lakes? By ignoring it and hoping it would just go away, not only did their flock go astray but they came back and took over the house.

The bishops need to man up or an ever greater portion of the Church in America will look like the frat in Animal House the morning after the toga party.

It started and ends with the bishops. Your move.

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