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Thursday, January 29, 2009

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Jack Smith

Wow. One difficulty in moving 400,000 people is that there are bound to be irregular marriages in the group per Catholic rules. These all had to be dealt with individually here when a traditional parish moved over this year.

I wonder if any of the canonists who lurk here can shed light on that process.

Randy

So the Traditional Anglican Communion will become like Opus Dei? I wonder if Dan Brown will write a book about them.

Evan

As I understand the situation (at least as it has been to this point), Walter Kasper and the pope have been somewhat at odds about the reception. It does raise some questions for ecumenical work when conversations already underway with various Protestant denominations are more or less short-circuited by a reception of traditionalist Protestants like this.

Is anyone more privy than I to the PCPCU/CDF dynamics of this development?

Tito Edwards

Thanks Carl for the link.

Again, these are rumors, but I hope they are true.

Jeff Grace

Interesting... how many of the these Anglican priests will be required to table their marital relations? :)

Ed Peters

JS, no marriage problems per se; Anglcians are not bound by form, so.

There are other issues tho: eg, would this p.p. be designed to preserve "Anglican" rites? If so, why, exactly? What about R. Catholics in Britain now, have they no traditions worth granting p.p. status to, and if not, what is about former Anglicans that deserves special preservation and treatment? I could phrase it more precisely, but there are real questions here.

Jack Smith

Ed - Thanks for that. I should have been more clear. I don't mean as to form, but rather those who may have been remarried under Anglican rules.

Is that a problem?

I'll check out what the difficulty was here in Kansas City. I may be mistaken.

Jeannine

This is the best news I heard in a very long time! Details will be ironed out because this unification is what God wants.

A few questions I have: If alive do you think that CS Lewis would be part of TAC? Do some Episcopalian churches in VA & TX who answer to the African Anglican bishop belong to this group, TAC? Can anyone hypothesize what will happen to the rest of the Anglican Church? My guess is that it will further evolve into an undistinguishable protestant religion.

Next mission for Benedict: unite w/all the orthodox churches.

Ed Peters

JS, oh that, yes, that would be a real problem, but for individuals, as always, not for a corporate body.

Nick

Marriages are not likely to be a problem. TAC is almost exactly as conservative on questions of marriage as Rome is. The congregation you are referring to is likely an Episcopalian conversion. TAC bodies in Canada reference the CCC for teachings on marriage.

Nick

And I have to be snippy with Jeff in that the answer is probably none. For heaven's sake there is a whole _set of churches_ within Catholicism for which this isn't an issue and has no friendliness with the liberal agenda.

Ed Peters

Nick, you do realize, the most conservative branches of Anglicanism all, in the end, accept divorce and remarriage. That is what I'm talking about and why it's a serious problem at the level of individuals. And, while Jeff's comment on clerical continence is premature, I suspect we are heading toward a serious re-examination of that issue at the universal level.

Jeff Grace

Ed, I share your suspicions. I wouldn't want to have any money riding on that one, though.

Nick

Once again, no. There's a difference between TAC and "Conservative Anglican's". TAC is seeking unity not (what is usually termed) the conservative Anglican groups. I challenge you to find a document provided by TAC that does allow for divorce that is substantially different from the Catholic view.

For example Canada's position:
http://www.anglicancatholic.ca/diocirc/200705circ.pdf

and
http://www.anglicancatholic.ca/bishlett/200512-Ad_Clerum-Marriage_and_Euth.pdf

The positions of the Anglican groups are all over the board. TAC is by far the most conservative. You shouldn't lump them together.

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