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Monday, August 04, 2008

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Gail F

I have read the book by Ludmila Javorova, who is mentioned in this article. She was ordained a priest in Communist Czeckoslovakia by a priest who seems (from her account) to have been confused, if not a little crazy. In many ways her account makes very little sense, although she writes movingly about the desperate situation of Catholics in the country. She helped the priest who eventually ordained her get to the underground churches, and informed people when and where the outlawed services would be held. The priest apparently had extraordinary faculties to ordain because the country was entirely cut off from Rome. But her ordination (held at night and at the last minute) was strange even under the circumstances. By her own account, she did not do much as a priest beyond hear a few confessions. But -- and this is what made a big impression on me -- she says that when she asked for recognition of her ordination and was refused, she obeyed the bishop and Rome because she had vowed to obey.

None of these would-be women priests seem to feel the least inclination to obedience, and to me that is overwhelming proof (if one needs more proof than a Pope's say-so) that they are wrong. If I believed that women's ordination was possible but that Rome for some reason said no, then that "no" would be enough for me.

I don't know what Ludmila Javarova is up to now, and whether or not the womenpriests have convinced her that her ordination was real but her obedience wasn't. But her original testimony doesn't support these groups or these women.

Teófilo

I do have, however, a picture of a female cardinal if you want to see it, but you'll have to go to my blog to behold it...;-)

-Theo

Thomas

"The priest apparently had extraordinary faculties to ordain because the country was entirely cut off from Rome."

Aside from the whole absurd priestess circus, this is an impossibility. No priest can ever ordain, whether the circumstances be extraordinary or not.

MMajor Fan

I wonder if they are getting too much attention. I know they are outrageous and easy targets, but maybe posting so much about them adds fuel to the fire and ego gratification?

Gail F

Teifilo: That's what she said in her book. Whether or not it was true, she believed it was, or says she believes it was.

Tzard

One wonders whether the state will begin to exert pressure in this arena. In many areas they have a heavy hand in deciding who is eligable to be bishop. There is already pressure in other areas on Catholic institutions: Hospitals, Pharmacies, Businesses, and even Church buildings (the ability to use bells, candles, or whom they may hire...).

Sharon

http://www.cwnews.com:80/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=586

CZECH CARDINAL SPEAKS OF "CLANDESTINE PRIESTS"

May. 29, 1996

Sandra Miesel

There was a heretical cult in Milan ca. 1300 worshipping a dead nun as the incarnation of the Holy Spirit that had a set of female cardinalettes and a Popess. Although a number of the participants went to the stake, the incident is commemorated by the Popess Tarot card.

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