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Friday, March 14, 2008

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Francis Beckwith

""Where did Jesus talk about stem cells, or abortion or homosexuality? There's just too much hypocrisy." Ahh, but where did Jesus say that we should only believe what Jesus says in order to know the Christian understanding of things? Chopra is hoisted on his own petar, since he is assuming the correctness of a principle Jesus never uttered in order to affirm that Christians are only required to believe what Jesus uttered.

This guy gives incoherency a bad name.

Magilla Gorilla

As a gorilla, I am offended at the monkey comment. I know we are not monkeys, but we're close cousins, that's for sure. In fact, my second cousin's niece's husband, Simeon, is a monkey. If Chopra had a thousand Simeons typing, I'm confident he'd wind up with Veritas Spleandor and not that New Age trash. So, don't bash monkeys.

One more thing, I've shared your blog with my primate (We're Episcopalians!). He told me he thought you were the top banana.

Warmly,
Magilla Gorilla

Jackson

Sounds like the same tired old drivel.

Kanakaberaka

Third Jesus? I must have missed the second one. Unless of course Chopra is claiming that the Christian belief in Christ is a false one. So he's telling us what Christ is REALLY all about. Sure.

Carl Olson

This guy gives incoherency a bad name.

Yes, indeed. Watching Chopra trying to make a logical argument is like watching the Sex Pistols attempting to play one of Bach's cantatas...

Carl Olson

Third Jesus? I must have missed the second one.

His "argument" is that the "first Jesus" is the historical Jesus, who cannot be known very well, if at all, and that the "second Jesus" is the mythical Christ of Church dogma and worship, who isn't real or viable. The "third Jesus" is Chopra's Christ, a special Buddha-like teacher who (yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn...) achieved "God-consciousness" and wants us to do the same.

Carl Olson

He told me he thought you were the top banana.

Thank you; I'm glad to hear that my posts are proving to be a-peeling.

Colm


"Yet Jesus failed to bring about God's rule on earth, and his radical vision became compromised only a generation after his death, at the same time that early Christianity was spreading with startling speed and intensity"

Hmmm... didn't Christianity take a long, long time to spread in the Roman Empire? They were even a minority 300 years after the Crucifixion, at the time of Constantine's conversion. Now I can see why many people will like Chopra's book, but how can anyone take this guy seriously when he makes such a glaring mistake in the first few pages?

Well, if anything, I guess he's consistently wrong.

Paul H

His "argument" is that the "first Jesus" is the historical Jesus, who cannot be known very well, if at all, and that the "second Jesus" is the mythical Christ of Church dogma and worship, who isn't real or viable. The "third Jesus" is Chopra's Christ, a special Buddha-like teacher who (yaaaaaaaawwwwwwwn...) achieved "God-consciousness" and wants us to do the same.

So he admits that his version of Jesus is not the historical Jesus? Why should we care about this "third Jesus" then, since apparently Chopra knows nothing more about the "historical Jesus" than anyone else does?

Sandra Miesel

Ah, Carl, reading Chopra is your karmic payback for not having to read Philip Pullman with Pete and me.

Carl Olson

So he admits that his version of Jesus is not the historical Jesus? Why should we care about this "third Jesus" then, since apparently Chopra knows nothing more about the "historical Jesus" than anyone else does?

Paul, Paul, Paul...has Deepak Chopra been with us this long and yet you still refuse to believe? His deep wisdom is very simple: trust him. Why? Because he says so. Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that better than the blind faith of right-wing, dogmatic, warmongering, homophobic Christians?

Sarcasm aside, Chopra makes the usual liberal/neo-Gnostic claims:

• We don't know who really wrote the Gospels, nor how accurate they are.
• The Gospels are full of all sorts of contradictions, exaggerations, "miracles" and statements that Jesus never really made
• The Jesus of the Gospels is "psychologically incomplete."
• Some of the Gnostic Gospels are just as historically accurate and authentic as the canonical Gospels.

Writing of the "historical Jesus," Chopra states, "This historical Jesus has been lost, however, swept away by history." Think about that for a moment. How does history "sweep away" a historical figure? Chopra's book reveals a man who has done little research and is completely oblivious to most biblical scholarship, especially of the past few decades.

Carl Olson

Ah, Carl, reading Chopra is your karmic payback for not having to read Philip Pullman with Pete and me.

It's like reading a book co-authored by Dan Brown and Shirley MacLaine, with a dash of Elaine Pagels and Bart Ehrman. It's complete nonsense.

Telemachus

LOL x infinity. This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a while. I can't wait for the full review of this inane book.

Jackson

"...one of Bach's cantatas."

My teacher and I studied one of those today! Wonderful.

Jackson

"...how can anyone take this guy seriously when he makes such a glaring mistake in the first few pages?"

Only the ignorant and/or unserious are attracted to this kind of tripe.

Catholics Against Oprah

Some bad humor on a Saturday afternoon, I can see Letterman at the New Age Karma Awards paralleling his Oprah-Uma shtick: Oprah, Chopra. Chopra, Oprah. Oprah, Chopra. Chopra, Oprah....Follow their New Age smorgasbord and one becomes an enlightened Dopra!

Rick

Writing of the "historical Jesus," Chopra states, "This historical Jesus has been lost, however, swept away by history." Think about that for a moment. How does history "sweep away" a historical figure?

Good point! The best defintion I have heard of "History" is by the French historian Marc Bloch who defined it as "the study of men in time." History does not sweep away a historical figure, only man's ignorance or bad philosophies will, in this case Chopra epouses both!

Designslave

"Yet Jesus failed to bring about God's rule on earth"

Stupid Jesus, what was he thinking? Now God will never get his chance to rule the earth. Oh well...

Carl Olson

Stupid Jesus, what was he thinking?

It is interesting, isn't it, that Chopra goes on and on about Jesus having "God-consciousness," and yet this higher plane of awareness apparently didn't keep Christ was messing up. Hmmm...what's wrong with this picture?

MMajor Fan

Chopra seems to be the type who likes to caste the first stone.

clive baulch

Chopra is just another charlatan selling something no one wants. I note that his 'biography' claims he was born in India. I thought he was actually an American, born in California and his real name is not Deepak Chopra? I'm sure I read that in the Vatican anti-New Age pamphlet "Christ, the bearer of water"

Rick

One of the sad consequences of the Cartesian subjective turn in Philosophy is that many of the philosophical systems flow out of the Enlightenment are gnostic and reflect heresies in one form or another, also they tend to divinize themselves. Chopra's syncretism follows this, bad scripture scholarhsip is rationalistic and leads to the ridiculous conclusion that the only one who didn't know who he is or what he said was Jesus.

Raving Papist

Reading Chopra's Jesus book is like re-experiencing the 60's without the benefit of pharmaceuticals or deodorant.

cheryl

I recently saw the sandle-clad, all-seeing and all-knowing Chopra (and his wife and kids) on one of the home and garden shows in which a potential buyer evaluates several vacation homes and chooses one for purchase.

In Chopra's case, the homes were in Hawaii and all fell in the multi-million dollar range. I don't know which one he chose because I drifted off amid Deepak's mind-numbing comments about the pros and cons of various ocean views, granite countertops etc.

I did notice that he was identified in the show as "businessman" Deepak Chopra, probably at his own request.

No mention of his "double life" as a primate theologian.

NavajoSierra

"Businessman" is the appropriate handle for Chopra. He is a master of packaging and marketing. I submit he has never written anything "original" and his most highly developed talent is in using a kind of Cliff Notes approach to package classic philosophy into a format that could appeal to the new age demographic market, wherein objective thought might be found too challenging, therefore terrifying. Chopra's last book - Buddha - was even too racey for the new age crowd; (the movie deal fell apart). Only Chopra would think it okay to write a romance novel, which includes graphic sex scenes, and sell it as the "true" story of Buddha. I am surprised that he doesn't spend more of his time and money defending law suits for plagiarism, among other things. If he is not on Cult Watch he should be.

Susan

Writing of the "historical Jesus," Chopra states, "This historical Jesus has been lost, however, swept away by history." Think about that for a moment. How does history "sweep away" a historical figure?

And if he was swept away, why is Chopra so interested in debunking him? I am always amazed at a person like him who thinks he will be the one to break the gates of a two thousand year old institution. It's as though the Pope will read this and say "Well, have I sure been wasting my time- this guy's a genius! When's Oprah on?" Sadly I know there are people who will listen to him, but it only strengthens my faith and reviews such as this help me argue points!

Rick

I am no fan of Luke Timothy Johnson, but if I remember correctly he debunks all those who denied the Jesus of history as Chopra does, because they all tended to create a Jesus in their own image and likeness. Rationalism is a heresy that flows from Original Sin, man desires to become divine and thus denies God.

Carl Olson

Rick: Yep, for all of his faults, Johnson is very good in addressing this sort of nonsense, as well as the sensationalist stupidity of The Jesus Seminar.

I've been re-reading parts of Searching For the Real Jesus In An Age of Controversy (Harvest House), written by Dr. Douglas Groothuis, an Evangelical apologist and professor of philosophy. Groothuis does an excellent job of taking on and completely dismantling Chopra's New Age Christ. Which is especially impressive considering that Groothuis wrote his book twelve years (in 1996) before Chopra's book came out. Groothuis, in fact, is so knowledgeable about the many variations on the New Age Christ that he could have written Chopra's book for him--and done a far better job!

Ed Micca

Considering the downright lack of cogent thinking in Deepak Chopra's works, I suspect he uses a ghostwriter, his brother Sixpak.

Carl Olson

As I read the book, I come to a simple, obvious conclusion (as many of you already have): Chopra is the Joel Osteen of the New Age movement. But he's even worse, in a way, because of his overbearing arrogance and pseudo-scholarly flourishes.

omni

thank you for posting this - both carl and all responders! who other than chopra would be willing to embrace Christ with nothing more than a giant wet blanket. i never realized such thing as a "garage sale inspired" author existed until now.

Charles E Flynn

Suggested search:

Go to http://www.quackwatch.com

Search for:

Chopra

Lynne

Oh, really, hasn't anyone ever cleaned things? Hint: what is a tool for cleaning?
A broom. That is how Doprah and his brother Sixpak swept Jesus out of history. A broom! It's so easy, a monkey could do it. In a universe of Doprahmatix, where hallucinogenic Things Happen. Thanks for the laughs. Oh, by the way, it's Easter!
Today, thousands of Orthodox Catholics will greet each other with two joyful phrases.
HE IS RISEN!
HE IS RISEN, INDEED!

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