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Sunday, February 24, 2008

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Rick

The problem is not that the universities lack a Jesuit identity, this is just a symptom. The problem is that the Jesuits as an order lack a Jesuit, or better said Catholic identity. It’s like they have some sort of ontological amnesia, they don’t know who they are anymore. Their universities have become secular, Theology is just a discipline often taught by non-Catholics, agnostics and even Muslim Episcopal priestettes. The universities and colleges lost their Jesuit identity when the Jesuits lost their Catholic identity! When they began to cut themselves off from the bark of Peter, they in effect decapitated themselves, and set sail for a new identity blown by the winds of relativism wherever that leads…

rd

At Seattle University, there's reportedly a fear from many people who have some connection to the university (maybe parents or alumni or students) that, if it tried to strengthen its Jesuit identity, the university might become a "Catholic ghetto." Those were the words quoted by the student newspaper from a Jesuit, the admin in charge of mission and ministry. It seems pointless and laughable to even think about strengthening something that's barely there now--maybe the word "restore" might be more like it.

What's tragic is that the words "Jesuit" and "Catholic" should even be considered as separable. I imagine that Ignatius would disband the Order if it were so.

When the water finally evaporates, God will clean up the residue.

BillyHW

I think the pope should work out a trade with the Archimam of Canterbury. They give us their half of Nigeria and we give them the Jesuits.

It would be one of those win-win type deals.

Sandra Miesel

Their local high school here long ago ceased to identify itself as "Catholic" but rather as "a school in the Jesuit tradition." How long before the Order describes itself as a "community in the Catholic tradition"?

Dan Deeny

I thought the phrase "confining and condescending regulations" was interesting. Aren't regulations by definition confining? And what are some examples of condescending regulations? Is the requirement to fast one hour before communion a condescending regulation? Another interesting phrase was "an opportunity to learn about the world." The Jesuits have a school, St. Aloysius Gonzaga, in Nairobi, Kenya where victims of the Aids epidemic have an opportunity for an education. Perhaps several years working at this school might help the participant to learn about the world. These editorials and letters to the editor are interesting because they offer a glimpse into Christianity at American universities.

Rose

I felt like writing a long comment, but changed my mind-ladies do those things naturally. This was my lead sentence:

Let us start looking at the FLOWERS instead of the WEEDS.

What do you think?

Rose

I felt like writing a long comment, but changed my mind-ladies do those things naturally. This was my lead sentence:

Let us start looking at the FLOWERS instead of the WEEDS.

What do you think?

Carl Olson

Let us start looking at the FLOWERS instead of the WEEDS.

Not a problem, Rose. But sometimes the weeds so threaten and overrun the flowers that they need to be addressed.

Rose

What would St. Ignatius say about the weeds?

joe

My hunch is something along the lines of Ecclesiasticus* 40:16.

-J.

* Or "Sirach" if you're a more modern sort.

Rose

This is what I say:

Not one Jesuit School is on the good book list. One can not hope to solve all the problems. Nor are they limited to this one group, although this group is in front and center stage. This is an internal problem that they themselves need to address and solve. It will take leadership. Holy Father has started this by addressing the substance of the issue of loyality-now there is a brave pope!

I do feel that the ones loyal to the Catholic Church who practice accordingly ought to be spoken of frequently. This will give the weak ones role models, and confidence to go against the grain of their false idealism of our church and the culture. It is obvious that they lack fortitude as a group even if they are highly intelligent and highly educated.

They remind me of a group of people on a sinking ship. No one has the courage to yell: "Let us give up this boat, and swim over to the other boat"; just because they did not agree with the captain of the other boat. It takes humility to admit you are wrong-lots of it.

So they are hidden. No more-Holy Father wants them back. Stay tuned...Jesuits return and all is well. Finally!

St. Ignatius would say: Never give up on the Jesuits. Been there.

Carl Olson

I do feel that the ones loyal to the Catholic Church who practice accordingly ought to be spoken of frequently.

Agreed. Like we do here, what with constant references to Fr. Fessio, Fr. Schall, Fr. Pacwa, Fr. Spitzer, Fr. Henri de Lubac, Jean Cardinal Danielou, Avery Cardinal Dulles, and others...

RB

The object of any religious order is to serve God and His Church. The proper object of the Jesuits is not to build Jesuit Schools but rather Catholic Schools. If the Jesuits numbers are down and continue to diminish that should not change its Catholic identity it will of course change its Jesuit identity.

Rose

When I wrote the sentence: "I do feel that the ones loyal to the Catholic Church who practice accordingly ought to be spoken of frequently." I realized that The Ignatius Press is the leader in this aspect, and I wish I had stated so. And you did. Thank you.

I wanted to get responses from people to agree, and to come up of ideas to proport this loyal group. For example: when a company publishes a book they could put on the cover of the book: By...a Jesuit-loyal to the Roman Catholic Church. So that people would know that they are not hidden and part of the Church. Something like that. Start a parish Jesuit book reading club. An American Jesuit Society web site-I was just now looking at your web page at the ad for the American Chesterton Society. Wonderful reads could be done as well as quotes and sermons of the noted. Even a "Coming Home for Jesuits" with help and advice and support.

They are hidden because of guilt, shame, shyness, and aloneness. The public has put the blame of almost all our ills upon them. You can imagine the hate letters they get. We all have been worldly at one time or another. I think we can make them feel welcomed to come home with a smile on our faces and no smart remarks. We are family after all, and this is how to treat our brothers. I could forgive a Jesuit anything. They are responsible for the civilization of the world.

Do you understand what I mean?

Gail

As a parent whose oldest child is about to start high school, I find it very interesting that colleges and universities say they don't want to be "merely" Catholic or "only" Catholic. If my kids end up going to a non-Catholic college, then I will be sending my money to one that has some kind of identity, even if it is secular. What sense is there in going to a "university in the Catholic tradition" -- neither one thing nor the other? Lukewarm, use a Biblical phrase. And we all know what a good idea that is.

Of course stepping away from religious identity isn't unique to Catholic colleges. They're almost all doing it. But I don't have to pay for it. I would like to ask the student who wrote the editorial what he thinks would be wrong with a Jesuit institution being "merely Catholic."

Gail Finke

EUGENE SULLIVAN

THE JESUITS HAVE LOST THEIR ROMAN CATHOLIC IDENTIY AND EMBRACED SECULAR VIEWS THE LATE FATHER DRINAN OF GERORGETOWN OPENLY SUPPORTED ABORTION AND WAS NEVER SILENCED. AT FORDHAM UNIVERSITY THE STUDENT DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS THE BIGGER THAN THE REPULICANS BECAUSE OF IT'S SUPPORT FROM THE FACULTY. YES, THE DEMOCRATS WHO SUPPORT ABORTION, EUTHANASIA, EMBRYOTIC STEN CELL RESEARCH AND GAY MARRIAGE. MUST, I GO ON?
GRADUATION IS COMING UP AND THE GUEST SPEAKERS WILL BE JESUIT CATHOLIC TRAINED LIKE CHRIS MATTHEWS AND TIM RUSSERT WHO OPENLY SUPPORT EVERYTHING DEMOCRATIC. SEAN HANNITY COULD NERVER BE A COMMENCEMENT SPEAKER BECAUSE HE IS ROMAN CATHOLIC CONSERVATIVE PRO-LIFE AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED TOO EXTREME BY THE FACULTY AND STUDENTS.

Clara Sarrocco

How come you do not list the site of The New York C.S. Lewis Society (the oldest and largest of the Lewis societies)?
www.nycslsociety.com

Clara Sarrocco

Why don't you list the site of The New York C.S. Lewis Society? It is the oldest and largest of the Lewis societies around the world.
www.nycslsociety.com

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